Professor Oak
Game will start when full.

Introduction:

Number twenty-seven in a series. This is based on a roleset originally designed by BlackSheep with a few minor changes incorporated as of #3 and one more in #6.

This is slightly more involved than a standard P11, but not by much and is suitable for both new players and vets.

This game will start when full. A POSSIBLE exception will be if I have another game already in progress when this one fills, in which case I will probably wait until that game finishes before this one starts.

Basic info:

The evil team wins if the Max-Evil roles achieve parity with the Good and Aux-Evil roles.

The good team wins if all Werewolves are lynched.

All roles are revealed on elimination.

All viewing roles start with a random view on Night 0:

The Seer's random N0 is any player who IS NOT a Wolf.
The Fortune Teller's random N0 is any player who IS NOT an Aux Evil.
The Sorcerer's random N0 view is any player who IS a Villager.

Evil roles:

Two Werewolves: Share a chat and control the nightkill together.

One Cultist: Starts the game knowing the names of the Wolves and the Sorcerer.

One Sorcerer: Views a target each night. Learns full role and alignment of that player.

Good roles:

One Seer: Views a target each night. Gets positive view on the Werewolves.

One Fortune Teller: Views a target each night. Gets positive view on the Cultist and Sorcerer.

One Martyr: Protects a target each night. If that target is nightkilled, the Martyr dies instead.

Six Villagers: No special abilities.

Please note:

Proof of Life:

At the start of the game, I will announce the first lynch deadline as well as a Proof of Life deadline. Any player who has not posted in thread or in any Cassy chat by the announced Proof of Life deadline will be put up for replacement.

Deadlines:

Deadlines (for votes, orders and posting):
Dusk is at 4:30 pm BGG time.
Dawn is at 5:00 pm BGG time.

I accept orders/votes and posts up to X:00. Any vote or order with a Timestamp of X:00 is ON TIME and WILL be counted. Any vote or order with a timestamp of X:01 is LATE and WILL NOT be counted.

Please do NOT post after these deadlines, even if I have not told you to stop posting. Warnings will be given at first, but repeated offences may have other consequences.

If you post information that effects the game directly after the deadline (including but not necessarily limited to: claims, false claims, view results, false view results, etc.) you and a random member of your team will be modkilled. This is not negotiable. As above, posting non-game affecting content after deadline will not warrant any punishment (possibly excepting repeat behavior).

It is YOUR responsibility to monitor for dusk/dawn.

Modchats:

Please do NOT post anything in thread that either IS or LOOKS LIKE a direct copy/paste from your modchat, including results of views, or any other info I may provide there. You are allowed to paraphrase this information and/or put it into your own words.

Game Activity and Replacements:

The requirement for game activity is that you participate enough to help your team. This is a subjective measure that I will make the determination of. Generally speaking this means posting at least several times per game day and voting at least once per game day. Placing comments and orders into your Cassy chat is not sufficient in and of itself. If a player has gone through a full Day/Night cycle with no game content, I will put them up for replacement at the start of the following Day, though I may do so earlier at my discretion.

Civility:

I understand that this is a game that often generates strong opinions and heated discussions are perfectly within reason. However, personal attacks or offensive language will merit a warning. Second offense will merit a modkill. As with ???Game Activity???, this can be subjective, so I may allow for discussion and/or get a second opinion before acting.

Further Info:

Here is a general primer on Werewolf on BGG with good resource links:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/585004/the-guide-to-playing-...

Previous Games. Good: 13 Wins - Evil: 12 Wins
Single Serving: A simple 13er by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 2 (Simple 13er): Oh the idiot! by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 3: It's for Science! by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 4: Just Nightfall, Assholes! by redshark92. Good Wins
SINGLE SERVING 5: I Will Solve You by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 6: My Nom-Nom Days Are Over by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 7: The Ultimate Evil Bus by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 8: Chaos Reigns - Day 1 by Dake. Mod Error
Single Serving 8.5: Dake Is an Idiot - Day 5 by Dake. Good Wins
Single Serving 9: All of My Clears Hate Each Other by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 10: What About the Armed Hamsters? by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 11: I Can Prove This Using Maths by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 12: I Feel So Cheap and Used by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 13: I Love My Aux Children by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 14: I Seriously Think They're All Wolves! by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 15: Does This Guy Turn Into a Wolf? by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 16: BOOM! Cultist Hint! by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 17: So Much For Not Pissing Anyone Off by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 18: I Know Your Evil Plan Now, btw - Evil wins! by nolemonplease. Evil Wins
Single Serving 19: You Called a Seer Hit On Yourself by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 20: An Exciting New Show for Toddlers by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 21: Uncountered Villager by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 22: Rinse the Seer by redshark92. Good Wins
Single Serving 23: I Have So Many Ways To Die by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 24: I'm My Own N0 by redshark92. Evil Wins
Single Serving 25: Play the Mod by zd00. Good Wins
Single Serving 26: My Best Reads Are From Spoiler Chat - Game Over - Evil Wins by RoyalApe. Evil Wins
Cassandra Project
Player List According to Cassandra:
JaredW25
ortho_
Smugvid
Syntax3rror

4 players are signed up.

To sign up for this game go to
http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1409...
Ron

JaredW25 wrote:

GenCon week makes me sad.
Then go to GenCon? ... GENCON? Gencon? Whatever.
I got to play this role set in-person at gencon. Well, almost. We had 14, so an extra villager and the first wolf was brutal.


I was the sorc, and I viewed the Seer during N2 and was all set to claim seer with a hit on the real seer. I think I could have gotten him lynched, too. Buuuuuuuut the wolves NK'd me that night.
L Squared

ortho_ wrote:

I got to play this role set in-person at gencon. Well, almost. We had 14, so an extra villager and the first wolf was brutal.


I was the sorc, and I viewed the Seer during N2 and was all set to claim seer with a hit on the real seer. I think I could have gotten him lynched, too. Buuuuuuuut the wolves NK'd me that night.


I'm sorry! I thought you were the seer with a clear of Colin and a hit on Borgoto. cry

ljtrigirl wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

I got to play this role set in-person at gencon. Well, almost. We had 14, so an extra villager and the first wolf was brutal.


I was the sorc, and I viewed the Seer during N2 and was all set to claim seer with a hit on the real seer. I think I could have gotten him lynched, too. Buuuuuuuut the wolves NK'd me that night.


I'm sorry! I thought you were the seer with a clear of Colin and a hit on Borgoto. cry


Yeah, I can see why you thought that. I was neutral about Borgoto at the time, but I threw him into my accusation on Taylor when I was focusing on getting her mislynched because they kind of did the same thing on D1. I figured it would be inconsistent to call Taylor out and not Borgoto too.

Good views by Seer!Contig on N2/3, unfortunately. =/
L Squared
Oh. So, this set ran 3 times during the con, once with a 14th villager and first wolf being brutal. Here were the results:

Game 1:
Wolves- mmazala and gelrod, Sorcerer- mfl134, Cultist- bkarrigan
gel/BK/mfl formed a 4-person voting block with a lone villager that got mmazala lynched. gel killed into it (MFL), and the village lynched into it (the lone villager) before ultimately turning on each other, resulting in an evil victory. Evil Victory.

Game 2:
Wolves- ljtrigirl and Borgoto, Sorcerer- ortho_, Cultist- random dude
Day 3, the seer claimed with a hit on me. We lynched outside of the claim, he viewed Borgoto, and then we lynched the seer for a math win for good. Good Victory.

Game 3:
Wolves- Eddy* and Kristen*, Sorcerer- Shawn*, Cultist- karmic_devil
karmic destroyed this game. He got everyone to mislynch a bit early and even pulled off the final mislynch after the aux seer viewed him and got a hit by defending a villager in a way that felt cultisty. Evil Victory.

*my local friends
Cassandra Project
Player List According to Cassandra:
Benesephiir
JaredW25
kara_thrace
mfl134
nolemonplease
ortho_
PaperF
SarahBoBara
silverbonds
syntax3rror
Tfang
theknightofcups
Vanderscamp

13 players are signed up.

To sign up for this game go to
http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1409...
Professor Oak
This is a classic set. Let's get it going.
Ron

JaredW25 wrote:

I feel like the forums have been mighty quiet lately.
Stop dying.
Ron

JaredW25 wrote:

linguistfromhell wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

I feel like the forums have been mighty quiet lately.
Stop dying.

Imagine I posted your bear pic in response to this.
Would you have preferred I say "Dude, Massacre will get here soon enough." ..?
L Squared
I just signed up on Cassandra.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
I just ate a banana on Cassandra.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

I just ate a banana on Cassandra.

Also, I'm going to be primarily only active while on trains on my commute, so about 9:15ish BGG to 10:45, and 20:30 to 21:30, and will be posting from my phone.

I might check in some on my lunch breaks, but I'm going to try to resist the urge to because it'll probably take my entire lunch break just to catch up with as much as people post and I want to have time to eat.

I'm probably going to be tempted to check in more... maybe I should use an alt account so I don't get hit with the subscriptions for this while I'm trying to check other threads, hrm.
Caitlin

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

I'm probably going to be tempted to check in more... maybe I should use an alt account so I don't get hit with the subscriptions for this while I'm trying to check other threads, hrm.

Maybe unsubscribe, and set a reminder for yourself to check in in case you forget?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

I just ate a banana on Cassandra.

Also, I'm going to be primarily only active while on trains on my commute, so about 9:15ish BGG to 10:45, and 20:30 to 21:30, and will be posting from my phone.

I might check in some on my lunch breaks, but I'm going to try to resist the urge to because it'll probably take my entire lunch break just to catch up with as much as people post and I want to have time to eat.

I'm probably going to be tempted to check in more... maybe I should use an alt account so I don't get hit with the subscriptions for this while I'm trying to check other threads, hrm.

Maybe unsubscribe, and maybe set a reminder for yourself to check in in case you forget?

Hmm, yeah, I could set it as a quicklink I guess.

Checking the threads I'm subscribed to is the way I usually find things I want that I don't have notifications on

That could maybe work.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

I just ate a banana on Cassandra.

Also, I'm going to be primarily only active while on trains on my commute, so about 9:15ish BGG to 10:45, and 20:30 to 21:30, and will be posting from my phone.

I might check in some on my lunch breaks, but I'm going to try to resist the urge to because it'll probably take my entire lunch break just to catch up with as much as people post and I want to have time to eat.

I'm probably going to be tempted to check in more... maybe I should use an alt account so I don't get hit with the subscriptions for this while I'm trying to check other threads, hrm.

Maybe unsubscribe, and maybe set a reminder for yourself to check in in case you forget?

Hmm, yeah, I could set it as a quicklink I guess.

Checking the threads I'm subscribed to is the way I usually find things I want that I don't have notifications on

That could maybe work.

oh but then I'd have to remember to either unsubscribe every time I post or uncheck the subscribe to this thread box every time I post
Caitlin
Nah. You can unsubscribe at the end of your "periods". When you get off the train.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

Nah. You can unsubscribe at the end of your "periods". When you get off the train.

Hm, that is true. If I remember
Silver
I just the weird stuff with cassandra
Kara "Athena" Thrace
I just took off my Kiwi13cubed disguise on Cassandra.
Professor Oak

JaredW25 wrote:

GenCon week makes me sad.


I'm sad that this game has been in sign up through 2 con weeks that are 4 months apart.
Ron

RoyalApe wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

GenCon week makes me sad.


I'm sad that this game has been in sign up through 2 con weeks that are 4 months apart.

O.o
L Squared
Solution: come to both GenCon and BGGcon next year. All the cool kids (me, Mir, karmic, Erin, probably others as well) are doing it.
Professor Oak
I'm going to hold an ApeCon where you all come see me.
Professor Oak
Or we can just hold OklaKanCon for Jared, Gel and I.
L Squared
Umm. As your WonderTwin and fellow member of the Fantasic Four, I get to come too.
Professor Oak

ljtrigirl wrote:

Umm. As your WonderTwin and fellow member of the Fantasic Four, I get to come too.


Of course. Which means Hibou gets to come.

And I guess as the newly elected Triplet, Vanders would have to fly in too.
Alabaster

RoyalApe wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Umm. As your WonderTwin and fellow member of the Fantasic Four, I get to come too.


Of course. Which means Hibou gets to come.

And I guess as the newly elected Triplet, Vanders would have to fly in too.


How can I not?
Tokah
Vanders made me sign up on Cassandra.
Max DuBoff

RoyalApe wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Umm. As your WonderTwin and fellow member of the Fantasic Four, I get to come too.


Of course. Which means Hibou gets to come.

And I guess as the newly elected Triplet, Vanders would have to fly in too.


Are you sure your heart is strong enough to see you-know-what in person? I hear it's even more.glorious face-to-face...**swoon**
Professor Oak
I hope all the GenCon'ers had a good time. You should now be refreshed and ready to play a game!
Peer
I just signed up on Cassandra.
Pok??mon Ranger Anne
I just signed up on Cassandra.
I have never played this roleset before. Probably, it's time.

Hi Royal! Deal me something tasty!
Professor Oak
We're at 12, nice!
Professor Oak
And 13!

Sent GM to all players asking for confirmation since set has been in sign up for a while. Will put into go mode once confirmations received.
mfl134
note, i will not be at my normal level of participation, but I'm sure it will suffice.
Tokah
I would love to go into go mode tonight!
Professor Oak
11/13 confirmed
Benesephiir - signed up today
JaredW25 - confirmed
kara_thrace - confirmed
mfl134 - confirmed
nolemonplease - confirmed
ortho_
PaperF - confirmed
SarahBoBara - signed up today
silverbonds - confirmed
syntax3rror - confirmed
Tfang - confirmed
theknightofcups
Vanderscamp - confirmed
Kara "Athena" Thrace
I guess I'm still in. Don't plan to be very active or get particularly emotionally invested though. If anyone has a problem with that, feel free to find someone to replace me.
mfl134

kara_thrace wrote:

I guess I'm still in. Don't plan to be very active or get particularly emotionally invested though. If anyone has a problem with that, feel free to find someone to replace me.


As long as you are playing to win and will be active a reasonable amount and not MIA, I have no issue.
Alabaster
K
Kara "Athena" Thrace

mfl134 wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

I guess I'm still in. Don't plan to be very active or get particularly emotionally invested though. If anyone has a problem with that, feel free to find someone to replace me.


As long as you are playing to win and will be active a reasonable amount and not MIA, I have no issue.

If anyone other than mfl has a problem with this, feel free to find someone to replace me.
Peer

kara_thrace wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

I guess I'm still in. Don't plan to be very active or get particularly emotionally invested though. If anyone has a problem with that, feel free to find someone to replace me.


As long as you are playing to win and will be active a reasonable amount and not MIA, I have no issue.

If anyone other than mfl has a problem with this, feel free to find someone to replace me.


I'm good with Kara and going forward!
Professor Oak
All Players Confirmed. Setting up game. No Posting Please

Unless Majority of Players object, First Lynch will be Wednesday @ 4:30pm
Kiwi's ModBot
Seating Order (nicknames):
1. JaredW25 (jared)
2. Syntax3rror (3rror, error, syntax)
3. SarahBoBara (iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?, sarah)
4. Benesephiir (benes, bene, benes nickname bene nickname benese nickname fluffy lamb)
5. Vanderscamp (vc, nickname, vanders)
6. mfl134 (mfl)
7. theknightofcups (knight, peer, cups, pearfruit)
8. PaperF (paper)
9. TFang (fang)
10. kara_thrace (kara, kiwi, starbuck)
11. silverbonds (silver)
12. nolemonplease (caitlin, nolemon, scaryface, lemon)
13. ortho_ (ortho)
Kiwi's ModBot
Current Claims:
SarahBoBara - mind blown
Benesephiir - Fortune Teller
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
theknightofcups - Seer: N0 MFL, N1 Jared, N2 Ortho
ortho_ - (no claim)
Kiwi's ModBot
game history
Professor Oak
{Benesphiir} signup
{JaredW25} signup
{kara_thrace} signup
{mfl134} signup
{nolemonplease} signup
{ortho_} signup
{PaperF} signup
{SarahBoBara} signup
{silverbonds} signup
{Syntax3rror} signup
{TFang} signup
{theknightofcups} signup
{Vanderscamp} signup
Professor Oak
start
Dawn

You May Post.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, SarahBoBara, Syntax3rror, TFang, Vanderscamp, kara_thrace, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds, theknightofcups

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - (no claim)
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer
Hello, everyone!

Let's go for a [Vote Benes] because meta reasons.
Kara "Athena" Thrace
[vote Jared W25] because that bullet he put in me still hurts.

[nickname Starbuck][nickname kiwi][nickname Kara]
Sarah
Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]
Kara "Athena" Thrace
claim seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, SarahBoBara, Syntax3rror, TFang, Vanderscamp, kara_thrace, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds, theknightofcups

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]

I'll nightfall if you nightfall
He isn't nicknamed as Jared yet though.
Peer
Votes don't seem to be working?

Vote Benesphiir
Kara "Athena" Thrace

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]

I'll nightfall if you nightfall
He isn't nicknamed as Jared yet though.

He's also not nicknamed with a space.
vote Jaredw25
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Benesphiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
JaredW25 - 1 - kara_thrace (2)
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, SarahBoBara, Syntax3rror, TFang, Vanderscamp, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Alabaster

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]


EZ LIFE, EZ RARES

[vote Jared]
Alabaster
Hmm

vote JaredW25
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3)
Benesphiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, SarahBoBara, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer
Vanders!

Let's be buddies!
Sarah
vote JaredW25
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesphiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Alabaster

theknightofcups wrote:

Vanders!

Let's be buddies!


DONE
vote paperF Get in here, young boy!

nickname ortho
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesphiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer
[Nickname Knight]
[Nickname Cups]
[Nickname Peer]
Kara "Athena" Thrace

theknightofcups wrote:

[Nickname Knight]
[Nickname Cups]
[Nickname Peer]

you should nickname pearfruit...
Professor Oak
Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.
Peer

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

[Nickname Knight]
[Nickname Cups]
[Nickname Peer]

you should nickname pearfruit...


Nickname Pearfruit
[nickname ortho]
Alabaster
Nickname nickname
Peer
Can people add nicknames? I'm not currently mobile, but I will be during most of the day, including close to lynch time.
Peer
Hi Ortho! I hope we're good together.

theknightofcups wrote:

Hello, everyone!

Let's go for a [Vote Benes] because meta reasons.


cry cry cry

and then vote peer
Professor Oak

theknightofcups wrote:

Can people add nicknames? I'm not currently mobile, but I will be during most of the day, including close to lynch time.


I'll add missing common ones tomorrow, just too much trouble on phone.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

Suggestion for Royal wrote:

[nickname JaredW25 as Jared][nickname Syntax3rror as Syntax][nickname SarahBoBara as Sarah][nickname Benesphiir as Bene][nickname Vanderscamp as Vanders][nickname Vanderscamp as VC][nickname mfl134 as mfl][nickname PaperF as Paper][nickname silverbonds as silver][nickname nolemonplease as caitlin][nickname nolemonplease as nolemon][nickname nolemonplease as lemon][nickname nolemonplease as scaryface]
Kara "Athena" Thrace

RoyalApe wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Can people add nicknames? I'm not currently mobile, but I will be during most of the day, including close to lynch time.


I'll add missing common ones tomorrow, just too much trouble on phone.

whistle

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, SarahBoBara, Syntax3rror, TFang, Vanderscamp, kara_thrace, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds, theknightofcups

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)


I am not even playing cry
please remove the imposter who thinks 2 'e's in a name is sufficient!
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Benesephiir wrote:

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Not voting: Benesphiir, JaredW25, PaperF, SarahBoBara, Syntax3rror, TFang, Vanderscamp, kara_thrace, mfl134, nolemonplease, ortho_, silverbonds, theknightofcups

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesphiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)


I am not even playing cry

Whine, whine, whine...

[become mod][replace Benesphiir with Benesephiir][nickname JaredW25 as Jared][nickname Syntax3rror as Syntax][nickname SarahBoBara as Sarah][nickname Benesephiir as Bene][nickname Vanderscamp as Vanders][nickname Vanderscamp as VC][nickname mfl134 as mfl][nickname PaperF as Paper][nickname silverbonds as silver][nickname nolemonplease as caitlin][nickname nolemonplease as nolemon][nickname nolemonplease as lemon][nickname nolemonplease as scaryface]
Kiwi's ModBot
Benesephiir has replaced Benesphiir.

Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: Benesephiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)

theknightofcups wrote:

Votes don't seem to be working?

Vote Benesphiir


Thank you for voting for that guy!
I hate him so much!

theknightofcups wrote:

Hi Ortho! I hope we're good together.


It would be about time, Peer!
Alabaster
Peer is good.


LOCKING IT IN
Professor Oak
[nickname JaredW25 as Jared][nickname Syntax3rror as Syntax][nickname SarahBoBara as Sarah][nickname Benesphiir as Benes][nickname Vanderscamp as Vanders][nickname Vanderscamp as VC][nickname mfl134 as mfl][nickname PaperF as Paper][nickname silverbonds as silver][nickname nolemonplease as caitlin][nickname nolemonplease as nolemon][nickname nolemonplease as lemon]
Peer

Vanderscamp wrote:

Peer is good.


LOCKING IT IN


kiss heart
claim your role
Peer

ortho_ wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Hi Ortho! I hope we're good together.


It would be about time, Peer!


Come vote Benes with me!
Professor Oak

kara_thrace wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Can people add nicknames? I'm not currently mobile, but I will be during most of the day, including close to lynch time.


I'll add missing common ones tomorrow, just too much trouble on phone.

whistle


Thanks. Though I eliminated the scaryface one for lemon.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: Benesephiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - seer but should check the rules to see if there's actually a normal seer but isn't going to bother to
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
nickname benes

nickname bene

nickname benese

nickname fluffy lamb

Professor Oak

Benesephiir wrote:

please remove the imposter who thinks 2 'e's in a name is sufficient!


Bad Monkey
Peer
Benes, I think you have to vote me again. Good thing there are players here who won't mislynch me. yuk
Kara "Athena" Thrace

RoyalApe wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Can people add nicknames? I'm not currently mobile, but I will be during most of the day, including close to lynch time.


I'll add missing common ones tomorrow, just too much trouble on phone.

whistle


Thanks. Though I eliminated the scaryface one for lemon.

Aw.

[o]it's still there though [/o]
Kara "Athena" Thrace
claim idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
Alabaster

theknightofcups wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Peer is good.


LOCKING IT IN


kiss heart


Not even a fake read son!
Alabaster

Benesephiir wrote:

claim your role


claim Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: Benesephiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)

theknightofcups wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Hi Ortho! I hope we're good together.


It would be about time, Peer!


Come vote Benes with me!


Sure, why not?

vote benesephiir
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: Benesephiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, mfl134, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer
Okay so I have Ortho as my voting buddy and Vanders as my read buddy. Let's rock this shit.
Sarah

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?
Peer

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?


Sarah, do you normally read Ortho well?
Sarah

JaredW25 wrote:

nickname jared

[vote Sarah] for telling the same bad joke too many times.




Peer
Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?
Sarah

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?


Sarah, do you normally read Ortho well?


I'd like to think I do. I think he will disagree. I know how to push his buttons at least. whistle
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.
Sarah

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


Yes, and Jared is a wolf.
Sarah

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


I claimed earlier too.
Peer

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?
Kara "Athena" Thrace

theknightofcups wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Hi Ortho! I hope we're good together.


It would be about time, Peer!


Come vote Benes with me!

I'd rather vote for Benesphiir.
Peer

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


Yes, and Jared is a wolf.


Let's get his partner first.
Sarah
For the record, I am going to claim seer every game regardless of my role. I have started doing this with Merlin in Resistance and it works surprisingly well. If I flip seer then you know my views and if I don't then well, ya know.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


I claimed earlier too.

Yeah, I just remembered that while I was angrily refreshing trying to get my last comment to post.
Pearfruit, I'll get to you in a minute. shake
Sarah

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


Yes, and Jared is a wolf.


Let's get his partner first.


Jared likes to work... alone...
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

For the record, I am going to claim seer every game regardless of my role. I have started doing this with Merlin in Resistance and it works surprisingly well. If I flip seer then you know my views and if I don't then well, ya know.

SO STRONG
mfl134

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


[vote theknightofcups]

theknightofcups wrote:

Benes, I think you have to vote me again. Good thing there are players here who won't mislynch me. yuk


lol.

You already posted more in this game than in the game I mislynched you.

I can't find good-Peer in 5 posts

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?


Sarah, do you normally read Ortho well?


I'd like to think I do. I think he will disagree. I know how to push his buttons at least. whistle


I'm going to point to our last game together and... well, disagree somewhat.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 1 - mfl134 (7)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: Benesephiir, JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Kara "Athena" Thrace

theknightofcups wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?

Sure, why not?

And VC already predicted Jared's going to claim too.

That's almost half the village!
Professor Oak

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


Yes, there is a section on N0s in the OP
Sarah

ortho_ wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?


Sarah, do you normally read Ortho well?


I'd like to think I do. I think he will disagree. I know how to push his buttons at least. whistle


I'm going to point to our last game together and... well, disagree somewhat.


That's the issue with my ortho reads. I can read when ortho is "special". This could mean I am a dumb good outing a gs OR I am finding an evil. It's hit or miss.


[o]Ortho is always special though. kiss[/o]
Sarah

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?

Sure, why not?

And VC already predicted Jared's going to claim too.

That's almost half the village!


Wasn't there an "everyone's special" game on here where everyone had a special role? Perhaps Ape made an "everyone's seer" game. That's be interesting.
vote peer
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7), Benesephiir (8)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, nolemonplease, silverbonds

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?

Sure, why not?

And VC already predicted Jared's going to claim too.

That's almost half the village!


Wasn't there an "everyone's special" game on here where everyone had a special role? Perhaps Ape made an "everyone's seer" game. That's be interesting.

Village of Seers is interesting.

Hard for evil, though, I think, to come up with fake views that don't incriminate themselves.
Sarah

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?

Sure, why not?

And VC already predicted Jared's going to claim too.

That's almost half the village!


Wasn't there an "everyone's special" game on here where everyone had a special role? Perhaps Ape made an "everyone's seer" game. That's be interesting.

Village of Seers is interesting.

Hard for evil, though, I think, to come up with fake views that don't incriminate themselves.


I was imagining absolutely everyone being a seer and there being no evils. It'd be a pretty mean game but it would be kind of funny as a no reveal... whistle

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?

Sure, why not?

And VC already predicted Jared's going to claim too.

That's almost half the village!


Wasn't there an "everyone's special" game on here where everyone had a special role? Perhaps Ape made an "everyone's seer" game. That's be interesting.

Village of Seers is interesting.

Hard for evil, though, I think, to come up with fake views that don't incriminate themselves.


If there is a stated number of paranoid, insane, normal and naive' then it's too hard, but if there is at least one of each but it's unknown how many of each, then maybe it could work.
Kara "Athena" Thrace
Also, in other unrelated news no one particularly cares about, it's amazing how much more time I have when I'm not spending 2 hours just to get home after work. Maybe I will be more active. We'll see.
Peer

mfl134 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


[vote theknightofcups]


But.. you were my N0!
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

claim your role


claim Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game

Huh?


Calling it now to look like a hero post game
Kara "Athena" Thrace

Benesephiir wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Kiwimod does require either exact name or for player in question to "nickname" themselves to something more convenient.

Any player can nickname themselves by posting "nickname XXXX" in bold.

If you want multiple nicknames, place them on separate lines or encompass them in separate [] tags.


nickname sarah

nickname iamtheseerwhyareyouvotingme?

And here we have the third seer claimant.


Can I get in on this?

Sure, why not?

And VC already predicted Jared's going to claim too.

That's almost half the village!


Wasn't there an "everyone's special" game on here where everyone had a special role? Perhaps Ape made an "everyone's seer" game. That's be interesting.

Village of Seers is interesting.

Hard for evil, though, I think, to come up with fake views that don't incriminate themselves.


If there is a stated number of paranoid, insane, normal and naive' then it's too hard, but if there is at least one of each but it's unknown how many of each, then maybe it could work.

Maybe a niner, 1-2 of each and two wolves?

I've only played the fiver version, which made it especially hard as a fast game.
Though Chicken mislynched me through bad logic at least once, so it put pressure on goods as well, I guess.
Alabaster

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


Lol
Kara "Athena" Thrace

theknightofcups wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


[vote theknightofcups]


But.. you were my N0!

#4
Kara "Athena" Thrace
12 more days of this... soblue
Alabaster
Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN
Sarah

kara_thrace wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Do the Seer and Fortune Teller have N0s?


[vote theknightofcups]


But.. you were my N0!

#4


Don't keep track of seer claims, only helps the wolves!

Who do you think Jared's working with?
mfl134

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


Remember this post if the end of the day becomes all about you being evil...
Peer

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


You don't believe my claim? What kind of teammate are you?!
Alabaster

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


Remember this post if the end of the day becomes all about you being evil...


I'm just trying to carry you through the game with bussing if I get a hit called on me.
Alabaster

theknightofcups wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


You don't believe my claim? What kind of teammate are you?!


Let's put it this way...


I know for a fact that your claim is not real.
Sarah

Vanderscamp wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


Remember this post if the end of the day becomes all about you being evil...


I'm just trying to carry you through the game with bussing if I get a hit called on me.


You sound like an aux..
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


Remember this post if the end of the day becomes all about you being evil...


I'm just trying to carry you through the game with bussing if I get a hit called on me.


You sound like an aux..


My aux?
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


Remember this post if the end of the day becomes all about you being evil...


I'm just trying to carry you through the game with bussing if I get a hit called on me.


You sound like an aux..

You sound like an ox.
Alabaster

SarahBoBara wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Mike is evil


LOCK IT IN


Remember this post if the end of the day becomes all about you being evil...


I'm just trying to carry you through the game with bussing if I get a hit called on me.


You sound like an aux..


Got to survive the NKs somehow!
Silver
Youtube Video

claim saved 15% by switching to Geico

[vote Vanderscamp]
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Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 3 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3), SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7), Benesephiir (8)
Vanderscamp - 1 - silverbonds (9)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Silver

silverbonds wrote:

Youtube Video

claim saved 15% by switching to Geico

[vote Vanderscamp]


Fixed the post so vanders and jared don't miss my cultist hint
Alabaster

silverbonds wrote:

Youtube Video

claim saved 15% by switching to Geico

[vote Vanderscamp]


Oh, no!
[vote silverbonds]
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Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7), Benesephiir (8)
Vanderscamp - 1 - silverbonds (9)
silverbonds - 1 - Vanderscamp (10)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: JaredW25, PaperF, Syntax3rror, TFang, nolemonplease

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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Silver
I am just going to play supes evil this game and vote anyone that votes Vanderscamp. I might buss Jared but that's because he's a big boy and can take it.

If you vote me because of these posts then you're obviously evil too.

That is all.

Also will vote with Jared and Vanderscamp if they agree on someone, gotta keep the mislynch game strong.
Alabaster

silverbonds wrote:

I am just going to play supes evil this game and vote anyone that votes Vanderscamp. I might buss Jared but that's because he's a big boy and can take it.

If you vote me because of these posts then you're obviously evil too.

That is all.

Also will vote with Jared and Vanderscamp if they agree on someone, gotta keep the mislynch game strong.


Man I can't vote for you.

Jared, Silver, want to [vote mfl134]?
Silver

Vanderscamp wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

I am just going to play supes evil this game and vote anyone that votes Vanderscamp. I might buss Jared but that's because he's a big boy and can take it.

If you vote me because of these posts then you're obviously evil too.

That is all.

Also will vote with Jared and Vanderscamp if they agree on someone, gotta keep the mislynch game strong.


Man I can't vote for you.

Jared, Silver, want to [vote mfl134]?


This is a reasonable request. Your wish is my command!

[vote mfl134]
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Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7), Benesephiir (8)
mfl134 - 2 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10)
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JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Alabaster
STEAMROLL ACTIVATED


#WINNINGBEFORED4
Alabaster
Also, we're pretty set for this game.

Silver, Jared, Peer and I are all off the lynch table.

I have no reason to have Jared off the table other than just shamelessly defending my partner.
Alabaster
Is lymch today?

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

I am just going to play supes evil this game and vote anyone that votes Vanderscamp. I might buss Jared but that's because he's a big boy and can take it.

If you vote me because of these posts then you're obviously evil too.

That is all.

Also will vote with Jared and Vanderscamp if they agree on someone, gotta keep the mislynch game strong.


Man I can't vote for you.

Jared, Silver, want to [vote mfl134]?

Don't have a reason not to!

[vote mfl1134]


You put an extra 1 in his name.
You like spelling "hell" upside-down and backwards I guess.

So you are in a chat with Royal is my guess.

What plan do you have with misspelling names, I wonder...
No

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]


Odd, I got a N0 of Royal and got MOD...

[Nickname Syntax] [Nickname 3rror] [Nickname error]

[Vote Sarahbobara] for claiming seer, that's my shtick.
Tokah
What a lively set of posts to wake up to!

[vote Ortho]

Thanks for making a game go before I get into Massacre, guys. =)
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Vote Tally:
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7), Benesephiir (8)
mfl134 - 2 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12)
SarahBoBara - 1 - Syntax3rror (13)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10)
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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Tokah
nickname Fang
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7), Benesephiir (8)
SarahBoBara - 1 - Syntax3rror (13)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10)
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JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
No

SarahBoBara wrote:

For the record, I am going to claim seer every game regardless of my role. I have started doing this with Merlin in Resistance and it works surprisingly well. If I flip seer then you know my views and if I don't then well, ya know.


GAH! Stop stepping on my ground here!
Professor Oak

Vanderscamp wrote:

Is lymch today?


R{Yes
No

RoyalApe wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Is lymch today?


R{Yes


Lymch is an interesting time indeed.
Alabaster

Syntax3rror wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Is lymch today?


R{Yes


Lymch is an interesting time indeed.


I should be here for lynch, idk about this lymch business.
Alabaster
Not too long before it, though.

But yeah, I'm off.

Still happy with my vote on Mike.

JaredW25 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

I am just going to play supes evil this game and vote anyone that votes Vanderscamp. I might buss Jared but that's because he's a big boy and can take it.

If you vote me because of these posts then you're obviously evil too.

That is all.

Also will vote with Jared and Vanderscamp if they agree on someone, gotta keep the mislynch game strong.


Man I can't vote for you.

Jared, Silver, want to [vote mfl134]?

Don't have a reason not to!

[vote mfl1134]


You put an extra 1 in his name.
You like spelling "hell" upside-down and backwards I guess.

So you are in a chat with Royal is my guess.

What plan do you have with misspelling names, I wonder...

Thanks.

[vote mfl]

How do you know I have a chat with Royal?!


I didn't until now!

Sick plays by the fluffy lamb!
mfl134

Vanderscamp wrote:

Not too long before it, though.

But yeah, I'm off.

Still happy with my vote on Mike.


"happy"?



is it the new thing for everyone to pretend to be evil btw? I didn't think I was gone that long.
mfl134
[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Not too long before it, though.

But yeah, I'm off.

Still happy with my vote on Mike.


"happy"?



is it the new thing for everyone to pretend to be evil btw? I didn't think I was gone that long.


I think BSC is making a comeback now that people see why it's awesome.
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
theknightofcups - 1 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8)
SarahBoBara - 1 - Syntax3rror (13)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10)
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JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
I have a slight reason for my vote on Peer, in that he is trying to guilt me into trusting him.

Not a great reason, because I think good Peer would probably do that too, but its the best reason I have so far.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.

I voted you because Silver and Vanders told me to, and I didn't have a reason to *not* vote you (as I stated).

Do you need more explanations than that?


you don't. but voting because somebody else is and for "no reason not to" sucks. (is evil or bad play.)

But if you are doing it for reactions from them carry on. if you are doing it because you think it is a good vote, reconsider.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.

I voted you because Silver and Vanders told me to, and I didn't have a reason to *not* vote you (as I stated).

Do you need more explanations than that?


you don't. but voting because somebody else is and for "no reason not to" sucks. (is evil or bad play.)

But if you are doing it for reactions from them carry on. if you are doing it because you think it is a good vote, reconsider.

So do you think anybody has done anything alignment indicative so far? Mostly it's jokes so far. I'm voting you to see where it takes me.


In general, yes I would say it has been done. But since everyone is doing the whole "act evil" thing it is harder to say that it is actually alignment indicative.

People not owning their vote is alignment indicative, for example.


Vanders doesn't do anything in particular that is alignment indicative except for actions. Right now he is doing a whole 100% certainty thing with lots of "calling it". Not really sure what that means. Usually the way this works is Vanders votes me for no reason, he goes away because he needs to sleep and by the time he wakes up, I get him lynched because I define him as evil for making an unfounded vote.

So time will tell if vanders is making an unfounded vote or trying to vote me to get a read on me.


though perhaps he is trying to get a read of his covoters. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now and chill with my summoning vote.

paper plays UTR as both evil and good, but when evil he rarely gets out of UTR mode.


Also I feel syntax is always an aux evil and honestly those are the vibes I'm getting this game (though bias clearly there)
mfl134

Syntax3rror wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]


Odd, I got a N0 of Royal and got MOD...

[Nickname Syntax] [Nickname 3rror] [Nickname error]

[Vote Sarahbobara] for claiming seer, that's my shtick.


strike the syntax thing. this gives me less of an aux evil feel.
Tokah
Paper's evil game has seriously improved, he doesn't just UTR as evil anymore. He was very talkative after D2 of a recent game and almost pulled it out in the the F3. If the seers hadn't found each other and really pushed their particular reads (one of which was a view), he would have won it.
Silver

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Not too long before it, though.

But yeah, I'm off.

Still happy with my vote on Mike.


"happy"?



is it the new thing for everyone to pretend to be evil btw? I didn't think I was gone that long.


I think BSC is making a comeback now that people see why it's awesome.


I would say I have a screw loose but it is more like I am Ikea furniture that never came with screws and you are trying to put me together without ever having seen the original piece of furniture.
Silver

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


It is day one. I am voting you because we were still in meta phase and putting pressure on people is how you get things like content and stuff.
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


It is day one. I am voting you because we were still in meta phase and putting pressure on people is how you get things like content and stuff.


though by announcing that it is the meta phase, does pressure actually exist. Why not pressure in ways others than just voting?

Also, you picked me to pressure, why? if you just wanted to apply pressure, why was I the choice?
Silver
evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.
Silver

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


It is day one. I am voting you because we [BGCOLOR=#FFFF00]were [/BGCOLOR]still in meta phase and putting pressure on people is how you get things like content and stuff.


though by announcing that it is the meta phase, does pressure actually exist. Why not pressure in ways others than just voting?

Also, you picked me to pressure, why? if you just wanted to apply pressure, why was I the choice?


We were.

As in my vote on you considered* transitional into real gameplay.

edit: WORDS
Silver
Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.
Paper Luis
nickname Paper

Hello all. devil
Paper Luis
vote ortho Dog, are you evil?
I would like an answer to Mike's question about why pressure him at some point.

Does he sound different on D1 when he is pressured as evil?

He sounds like alignment neutral "I hate random crap that helps evil" to me, so far.
Paper Luis
Hey Mike, should I brutal you again? devil
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
ortho_ - 2 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
theknightofcups - 1 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8)
SarahBoBara - 1 - Syntax3rror (13)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10)
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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Paper Luis

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]
SARAH. Wait, wait, wait, I want to pressure Sarah. devil

[Vote Sarah]
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
SarahBoBara - 2 - Syntax3rror (13), PaperF (18)
theknightofcups - 1 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10)
Not voting: nolemonplease

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JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


It is day one. I am voting you because we [BGCOLOR=#FFFF00]were [/BGCOLOR]still in meta phase and putting pressure on people is how you get things like content and stuff.


though by announcing that it is the meta phase, does pressure actually exist. Why not pressure in ways others than just voting?

Also, you picked me to pressure, why? if you just wanted to apply pressure, why was I the choice?


We were.

As in my vote on you considered* transitional into real gameplay.

edit: WORDS


you skipped the key question. Why did the meta start on me and not else where?
mfl134

PaperF wrote:

Hey Mike, should I brutal you again? devil


use em if you got em
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]
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mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
SarahBoBara - 2 - Syntax3rror (13), PaperF (18)
theknightofcups - 1 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
silverbonds - 1 - Vanderscamp (10) , mfl134 (19)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16)
Not voting: nolemonplease

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Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
mfl134
sup lemon?

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
SarahBoBara - 3 - Syntax3rror (13), PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20)
JaredW25 - 2 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
silverbonds - 1 - Vanderscamp (10) , mfl134 (19)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9)
theknightofcups - 0 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16)
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SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
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mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)

mfl134 wrote:

sup lemon?


Not her, I am guessing.
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Jared, Bene, and Peer all had more votes than me, so I'm going to assume she made a choice between the 4 of us if the goal was pressure.

Also, following the group isn't an acceptable answer.
Sarah

Vanderscamp wrote:

Also, we're pretty set for this game.

Silver, Jared, Peer and I are all off the lynch table.

I have no reason to have Jared off the table other than just shamelessly defending my partner.



shake
Sarah

Syntax3rror wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

For the record, I am going to claim seer every game regardless of my role. I have started doing this with Merlin in Resistance and it works surprisingly well. If I flip seer then you know my views and if I don't then well, ya know.


GAH! Stop stepping on my ground here!



I didn't know it was your thing. I don't remember it being your thing. Why cant it be our thing?

There are two gs seer roles in this game. We can both be seers. kiss
Sarah

Vanderscamp wrote:

Is lymch today?


I wish I had the statistics for the percentage of goods vs. evils who ask this question. My hypothesis is that evils are far more likely to ask it.
Tokah
I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


Summoning votes? Why summons Paper and not Lemon (only other person I can think of who hasn't posted yet?)

Is it normal for vanders to pick at you like this? What is your read on him?
mfl134

TFang wrote:

I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.


grumpy? perhaps later.


also, why can't whimsical be evil?
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]


Odd, I got a N0 of Royal and got MOD...

[Nickname Syntax] [Nickname 3rror] [Nickname error]

[Vote Sarahbobara] for claiming seer, that's my shtick.


strike the syntax thing. this gives me less of an aux evil feel.


Why does it give you less of an aux feel?
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


Summoning votes? Why summons Paper and not Lemon (only other person I can think of who hasn't posted yet?)

Is it normal for vanders to pick at you like this? What is your read on him?


looked in cassie and saw no posts from paper. Lemon had 2, but they were before the game, so I missed her there.

I said sup lemon when I realize she hadn't posted.
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


Summoning votes? Why summons Paper and not Lemon (only other person I can think of who hasn't posted yet?)

Is it normal for vanders to pick at you like this? What is your read on him?


looked in cassie and saw no posts from paper. Lemon had 2, but they were before the game, so I missed her there.

I said sup lemon when I realize she hadn't posted.


as for vanders, i'm not sure that I have seen him like this before. surely he has said I was evil and was wrong, but more often than not he is evil when he does so, so that doesn't lead me to wonder. But it is early, and if he is doing a thing, I'll just have to let it play out. Ask me again at the end of the day or during day 2 and I'll have stronger opinion.

why does he think peer is good is a question i'm more curious about.
Sarah

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.
Tokah

mfl134 wrote:

TFang wrote:

I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.


grumpy? perhaps later.


also, why can't whimsical be evil?


Whimsical can be evil, especially for some people. My experience with evil!Silver, though, is that she is more intense. We had one game in which she was an aux and fooled me, but I've never seen her this way as a wolf.

She reads like a more emotional Benes, really. Sometimes you can just hear a certain freedom in their post style.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


Summoning votes? Why summons Paper and not Lemon (only other person I can think of who hasn't posted yet?)

Is it normal for vanders to pick at you like this? What is your read on him?


looked in cassie and saw no posts from paper. Lemon had 2, but they were before the game, so I missed her there.

I said sup lemon when I realize she hadn't posted.


as for vanders, i'm not sure that I have seen him like this before. surely he has said I was evil and was wrong, but more often than not he is evil when he does so, so that doesn't lead me to wonder. But it is early, and if he is doing a thing, I'll just have to let it play out. Ask me again at the end of the day or during day 2 and I'll have stronger opinion.

why does he think peer is good is a question i'm more curious about.


What's your view on wolf Jared? (Yes, I ask leading questions.. )
Sarah

TFang wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

TFang wrote:

I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.


grumpy? perhaps later.


also, why can't whimsical be evil?


Whimsical can be evil, especially for some people. My experience with evil!Silver, though, is that she is more intense. We had one game in which she was an aux and fooled me, but I've never seen her this way as a wolf.

She reads like a more emotional Benes, really. Sometimes you can just hear a certain freedom in their post style.


I've only played with her twice. One was our last gs fiasco game and the one before that was Cabin II where we were evil together (so not sure I can read based on that). I do think she was much more out there/pushing an agenda as evil though and am not feeling that this game.

It's funny because you normally think I am evil (especially when we're both good or at least you're good) so I'm waiting for you to accuse me so I can check you off as being good. laugh
Sarah

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.

Why do you dislike me and Vanders?


I don't dislike vanders.. whistle
Sarah
Jared, don't tell gelrod but...

[o]
[/o]


however...


[o]you're still a wolf[/o]
Tokah

SarahBoBara wrote:

TFang wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

TFang wrote:

I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.


grumpy? perhaps later.


also, why can't whimsical be evil?


Whimsical can be evil, especially for some people. My experience with evil!Silver, though, is that she is more intense. We had one game in which she was an aux and fooled me, but I've never seen her this way as a wolf.

She reads like a more emotional Benes, really. Sometimes you can just hear a certain freedom in their post style.


I've only played with her twice. One was our last gs fiasco game and the one before that was Cabin II where we were evil together (so not sure I can read based on that). I do think she was much more out there/pushing an agenda as evil though and am not feeling that this game.

It's funny because you normally think I am evil (especially when we're both good or at least you're good) so I'm waiting for you to accuse me so I can check you off as being good.laugh


All of that stuff I said about how you were the aux and that was part of what clinched my desire to view Benes was very true to what I was thinking at the time. After making a fool of myself on that point in Hi115, I was planning to pretend I believe you could be good today and see what that is like instead.

If you need to evil box me for that approach, that's cool, but I think it will be better in the long term for our working relationship.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

Syntax3rror wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Guys, it's shocking but I'm seer again.

N0 wolf hit on Jared.

Jared's a wolf.

[vote jared]


Odd, I got a N0 of Royal and got MOD...

[Nickname Syntax] [Nickname 3rror] [Nickname error]

[Vote Sarahbobara] for claiming seer, that's my shtick.

#5...
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?
Sarah

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.

Why do you dislike me and Vanders?


I don't dislike vanders..whistle

Okay. Why do you dislike me? Are you actually serious about that read?


I'm still feeling my read out but I would lean that you're more evil than not. I have been receiving more evil pings from vanders though. It seems like he is trying to buddy up to you/silver/peer. I feel like that's typically more pro-evil, to get people on your side and to read them as good so subconsciously they start to read you as good..

[vote vanders]
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 3 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15)
SarahBoBara - 3 - Syntax3rror (13), PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
JaredW25 - 1 - kara_thrace (2), Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
silverbonds - 1 - Vanderscamp (10) , mfl134 (19)
Vanderscamp - 1 - silverbonds (9) , SarahBoBara (21)
theknightofcups - 0 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16)
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SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
mfl134

TFang wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

TFang wrote:

I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.


grumpy? perhaps later.


also, why can't whimsical be evil?


Whimsical can be evil, especially for some people. My experience with evil!Silver, though, is that she is more intense. We had one game in which she was an aux and fooled me, but I've never seen her this way as a wolf.

She reads like a more emotional Benes, really. Sometimes you can just hear a certain freedom in their post style.


my only experience with silver was as wolf buddies, so i have never needed to read her.
Sarah

TFang wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

TFang wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

TFang wrote:

I think Mfl is grumpy!good and Silver is far too whimsical to actually be evil.


grumpy? perhaps later.


also, why can't whimsical be evil?


Whimsical can be evil, especially for some people. My experience with evil!Silver, though, is that she is more intense. We had one game in which she was an aux and fooled me, but I've never seen her this way as a wolf.

She reads like a more emotional Benes, really. Sometimes you can just hear a certain freedom in their post style.


I've only played with her twice. One was our last gs fiasco game and the one before that was Cabin II where we were evil together (so not sure I can read based on that). I do think she was much more out there/pushing an agenda as evil though and am not feeling that this game.

It's funny because you normally think I am evil (especially when we're both good or at least you're good) so I'm waiting for you to accuse me so I can check you off as being good.laugh


All of that stuff I said about how you were the aux and that was part of what clinched my desire to view Benes was very true to what I was thinking at the time. After making a fool of myself on that point in Hi115, I was planning to pretend I believe you could be good today and see what that is like instead.

If you need to evil box me for that approach, that's cool, but I think it will be better in the long term for our working relationship.


I'm not evil boxing you. I hadn't felt a read out yet. I was responding to the silver part of that and then started rambling. After I posted it, I thought I probably shouldn't tell you one of the ways I read you though!

mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


Summoning votes? Why summons Paper and not Lemon (only other person I can think of who hasn't posted yet?)

Is it normal for vanders to pick at you like this? What is your read on him?


looked in cassie and saw no posts from paper. Lemon had 2, but they were before the game, so I missed her there.

I said sup lemon when I realize she hadn't posted.


as for vanders, i'm not sure that I have seen him like this before. surely he has said I was evil and was wrong, but more often than not he is evil when he does so, so that doesn't lead me to wonder. But it is early, and if he is doing a thing, I'll just have to let it play out. Ask me again at the end of the day or during day 2 and I'll have stronger opinion.

why does he think peer is good is a question i'm more curious about.


What's your view on wolf Jared? (Yes, I ask leading questions..)


no opinion on jared yet. haven't tried to make one. perhaps hater. i let reads happen and don't force them, especially not this early in the game.
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

[vote PaperF]

summoning vote.

Still happy with voting peer, on the grounds of the meta clear play. While asking that could be harmless, at level 1 it indicates not seer or FT, which makes him a safe D1 lynch. At level 1 it also is a question that only the seers or FT would know the rules to. (this assumes that the N0s were not actually clarified in the rules. I can make this assumption, but peer would have checked there first.)

Everyone with a vote, I'm going to want reasons. if you think you already have stated your reason, enjoy. If you haven't stated one (or if it is a bad reason and you haven't acknowledged that), I suggest you state one before I specifically ask you about it.


Summoning votes? Why summons Paper and not Lemon (only other person I can think of who hasn't posted yet?)

Is it normal for vanders to pick at you like this? What is your read on him?


looked in cassie and saw no posts from paper. Lemon had 2, but they were before the game, so I missed her there.

I said sup lemon when I realize she hadn't posted.


as for vanders, i'm not sure that I have seen him like this before. surely he has said I was evil and was wrong, but more often than not he is evil when he does so, so that doesn't lead me to wonder. But it is early, and if he is doing a thing, I'll just have to let it play out. Ask me again at the end of the day or during day 2 and I'll have stronger opinion.

why does he think peer is good is a question i'm more curious about.


What's your view on wolf Jared? (Yes, I ask leading questions..)


no opinion on jared yet. haven't tried to make one. perhaps hater. i let reads happen and don't force them, especially not this early in the game.


later*
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.
Sarah

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Why is everyone following others today rather than making their own path..? Scared of making waves?
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Why is everyone following others today rather than making their own path..? Scared of making waves?


so nice to have somebody else saying it out loud. we should vote together
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Why is everyone following others today rather than making their own path..? Scared of making waves?

vote mfl because all the cool kids are doing it and he's being more annoying than Jared is at present.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


I'm a bad player so my reads are usually tone reads. Sooooo.. I can attempt to throw in other reads but I wont be able to hit a switch and not tone read people.
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mfl134 - 4 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15), kara_thrace (22)
SarahBoBara - 3 - Syntax3rror (13), PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20)
Benesephiir - 2 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
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mfl134

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Why is everyone following others today rather than making their own path..? Scared of making waves?

vote mfl because all the cool kids are doing it and he's being more annoying than Jared is at present.


we can call eachother annoying now?
Sarah

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


Other than your Paper meta, when do you do summoning votes? I haven't seen a lot of day 1 content from you either. Given how much we bicker, I am going to leave you alone today but I have my eye on you. goo
Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


I'm a bad player so my reads are usually tone reads. Sooooo.. I can attempt to throw in other reads but I wont be able to hit a switch and not tone read people.


I didn't say that reading with tones = bad player.

i'm saying that tone reading somebody is calling that person a bad player.

SarahBoBara wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


Other than your Paper meta, when do you do summoning votes? I haven't seen a lot of day 1 content from you either. Given how much we bicker, I am going to leave you alone today but I have my eye on you. goo


It's not a summoning vote, per se. I want syntax to contribute on D1.

It's something specific to Syntax that I decided to do based on a couple of things.


I'm getting tired of Syntax being a massive question mark in games because he doesn't chip in at the beginning. This happened in Poisonwolves and it helped team evil. And it's not the first time.

Obviously, it's his call how he wants to play, but I think it will help the town for us to be able to establish more of a read on him.


And also, Syntax confessed something to me in Poisonwolves wolfchat that I'm exploiting because I'm a jerk.
mfl134

ortho_ wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


Other than your Paper meta, when do you do summoning votes? I haven't seen a lot of day 1 content from you either. Given how much we bicker, I am going to leave you alone today but I have my eye on you. goo


It's not a summoning vote, per se. I want syntax to contribute on D1.

It's something specific to Syntax that I decided to do based on a couple of things.


I'm getting tired of Syntax being a massive question mark in games because he doesn't chip in at the beginning. This happened in Poisonwolves and it helped team evil. And it's not the first time.

Obviously, it's his call how he wants to play, but I think it will help the town for us to be able to establish more of a read on him.


And also, Syntax confessed something to me in Poisonwolves wolfchat that I'm exploiting because I'm a jerk.


this is so un ortho doxed
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


I'm a bad player so my reads are usually tone reads. Sooooo.. I can attempt to throw in other reads but I wont be able to hit a switch and not tone read people.


I didn't say that reading with tones = bad player.

i'm saying that tone reading somebody is calling that person a bad player.


I tone read everyone though so...

[o]I guess I am trying to say that you all suck! [/o]

I think tone reads have some legitimacy to them. Some of us are much better at reading certain people. I think saying I tone read someone is also saying that I just got a vibe from their actions and presence that they are likely good or evil. It's saying that I have this feeling but might not be able to easily articulate why. I also think there is some merit to the idea that I may read someone as good or evil and I may even know why but I can say "tone read" to get across my opinion of their alignment without telling this person the specifics of why I read them (then they cant change ). It's not me calling anyone a bad player.
Sarah

ortho_ wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


Other than your Paper meta, when do you do summoning votes? I haven't seen a lot of day 1 content from you either. Given how much we bicker, I am going to leave you alone today but I have my eye on you. goo


It's not a summoning vote, per se. I want syntax to contribute on D1.

It's something specific to Syntax that I decided to do based on a couple of things.


I'm getting tired of Syntax being a massive question mark in games because he doesn't chip in at the beginning. This happened in Poisonwolves and it helped team evil. And it's not the first time.

Obviously, it's his call how he wants to play, but I think it will help the town for us to be able to establish more of a read on him.

[BGCOLOR=#FFFF00]
And also, Syntax confessed something to me in Poisonwolves wolfchat that I'm exploiting because I'm a jerk. [/BGCOLOR]


I was just going to comment saying you were evil in that game too. whistle

You know now if you don't call Syntax out for not posting I am going to assume you are both evil together.

I also want to second your last statement.
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


I'm a bad player so my reads are usually tone reads. Sooooo.. I can attempt to throw in other reads but I wont be able to hit a switch and not tone read people.


I didn't say that reading with tones = bad player.

i'm saying that tone reading somebody is calling that person a bad player.


I tone read everyone though so...

[o]I guess I am trying to say that you all suck! [/o]

I think tone reads have some legitimacy to them. Some of us are much better at reading certain people. I think saying I tone read someone is also saying that I just got a vibe from their actions and presence that they are likely good or evil. It's saying that I have this feeling but might not be able to easily articulate why. I also think there is some merit to the idea that I may read someone as good or evil and I may even know why but I can say "tone read" to get across my opinion of their alignment without telling this person the specifics of why I read them (then they cant change). It's not me calling anyone a bad player.


a few more comments:

I agree they are legitimate. it is difficult to maintain a consistent tone as good and evil. but if you are tone reading somebody successfully they are failing. I used to be tone cleared as good all the time, and it is something I'm not proud of because it meant that I suck as evil.

follow up: if you have a way that you tone read somebody, don't play the meta game. Call them out for the tell that you can see. Let them change it. it is better for the game.

SarahBoBara wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


Other than your Paper meta, when do you do summoning votes? I haven't seen a lot of day 1 content from you either. Given how much we bicker, I am going to leave you alone today but I have my eye on you. goo


It's not a summoning vote, per se. I want syntax to contribute on D1.

It's something specific to Syntax that I decided to do based on a couple of things.


I'm getting tired of Syntax being a massive question mark in games because he doesn't chip in at the beginning. This happened in Poisonwolves and it helped team evil. And it's not the first time.

Obviously, it's his call how he wants to play, but I think it will help the town for us to be able to establish more of a read on him.

[BGCOLOR=#FFFF00]
And also, Syntax confessed something to me in Poisonwolves wolfchat that I'm exploiting because I'm a jerk. [/BGCOLOR]


I was just going to comment saying you were evil in that game too. whistle

You know now if you don't call Syntax out for not posting I am going to assume you are both evil together.

I also want to second your last statement.


Yeah, some of this is coming from what I observed from the 'inside' in Poisonwolves. And perhaps some other games too. It's a problem when certain players stay null/hard-to-read late in the game. When they're evil, it's hard to find them unless our POE game comes together. When they're good, they're game-winning mislynches for team evil.
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


I'm a bad player so my reads are usually tone reads. Sooooo.. I can attempt to throw in other reads but I wont be able to hit a switch and not tone read people.


I didn't say that reading with tones = bad player.

i'm saying that tone reading somebody is calling that person a bad player.


I tone read everyone though so...

[o]I guess I am trying to say that you all suck! [/o]

I think tone reads have some legitimacy to them. Some of us are much better at reading certain people. I think saying I tone read someone is also saying that I just got a vibe from their actions and presence that they are likely good or evil. It's saying that I have this feeling but might not be able to easily articulate why. I also think there is some merit to the idea that I may read someone as good or evil and I may even know why but I can say "tone read" to get across my opinion of their alignment without telling this person the specifics of why I read them (then they cant change). It's not me calling anyone a bad player.


a few more comments:

I agree they are legitimate. it is difficult to maintain a consistent tone as good and evil. but if you are tone reading somebody successfully they are failing. I used to be tone cleared as good all the time, and it is something I'm not proud of because it meant that I suck as evil.

follow up: if you have a way that you tone read somebody, don't play the meta game. Call them out for the tell that you can see. Let them change it. it is better for the game.


also, when a person is evil, is so much easier to give reads while hiding behind ambiguous reasons like tone. I agree sometimes it is hard to explain why you think somebody is evil. I'd rather a fail attempt than being told "tone".

i'd like to know which posts are causing the feelings and we can try to get to why.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:

Mfl is being his normal stubborn self, which isn't alignment indicative.




and this is what I want. my tone to not be alignment indicative. good good.


but also, not really being so stubborn. just explaining my POV.

what about it is stubborn?

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:


Yeah, some of this is coming from what I observed from the 'inside' in Poisonwolves. And perhaps some other games too. It's a problem when certain players stay null/hard-to-read late in the game. When they're evil, it's hard to find them unless our POE game comes together. When they're good, they're game-winning mislynches for team evil.

Didn't you give me shit for saying similar stuff about paper when you were evil?


My argument at the time (which I genuinely believed and still believe) is that PaperF isn't one of those players anymore in most games.

But your general idea was perfectly fine in that game imo. Keep in mind that I was evil in that game. I am coming around to the idea that it's pro-town to proactively try to clear up areas that you think are going to be null spots down the line. Maybe your pushing that argument in that game is part of what has got me to this point.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver feels tentatively distrusting of initial mike reactions. She feels particularly unmoved by his post where he explains to us how he has railroad Vanders for voting him without providing explicit detail on the vote in the past.

On vote owning:
I do not think offering up your vote to team allies is alignment indicative, in fact, I think it's one of the things that keep strong villages strong. Lets say Seer Billy had a clear on Villager Dan. Seer Billy dies. Villager Rupert wants to stay safe and so decided to vote only with Villager Dan, because he knows while Villager Dan might be wrong, he is not intentionally trying to mislynch anyone.

I have seen this scenario many times. I think mfl trying to say it is alignment indicative of evil makes him evil? Like he is being blustery about villagers daring to team up against him.

He can also really feel that way, at which point I point to the same situation above and continue with my rhetoric that of course I would do that, I'm supes evil, dontcha know.


I want to trust you because I like you AND this post sounds pretty good to me. I also think I sensed your evilness the last time we played and I am not feeling the same vibes. I don't like the Jared/Vanders business though. For now, I think you're good.


so you think somebody can feel really good about their good reads during the meta enough to just vote blindly with them?


I think she has other reasons for doing it. I don't necessarily like it as I just pointed out a reason I don't like vanders' play to Jared in another post. I guess for her I just read the tone of it and I don't see her play as screaming evil to me. I don't see her "following along" as an evil.



quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.



summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


I'm a bad player so my reads are usually tone reads. Sooooo.. I can attempt to throw in other reads but I wont be able to hit a switch and not tone read people.


I didn't say that reading with tones = bad player.

i'm saying that tone reading somebody is calling that person a bad player.


I tone read everyone though so...

[o]I guess I am trying to say that you all suck! [/o]

I think tone reads have some legitimacy to them. Some of us are much better at reading certain people. I think saying I tone read someone is also saying that I just got a vibe from their actions and presence that they are likely good or evil. It's saying that I have this feeling but might not be able to easily articulate why. I also think there is some merit to the idea that I may read someone as good or evil and I may even know why but I can say "tone read" to get across my opinion of their alignment without telling this person the specifics of why I read them (then they cant change). It's not me calling anyone a bad player.


a few more comments:

I agree they are legitimate. it is difficult to maintain a consistent tone as good and evil. but if you are tone reading somebody successfully they are failing. I used to be tone cleared as good all the time, and it is something I'm not proud of because it meant that I suck as evil.

follow up: if you have a way that you tone read somebody, don't play the meta game. Call them out for the tell that you can see. Let them change it. it is better for the game.


also, when a person is evil, is so much easier to give reads while hiding behind ambiguous reasons like tone. I agree sometimes it is hard to explain why you think somebody is evil. I'd rather a fail attempt than being told "tone".

i'd like to know which posts are causing the feelings and we can try to get to why.


Thanks for the lesson, I will go back to the HI games.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Mfl is being his normal stubborn self, which isn't alignment indicative.




and this is what I want. my tone to not be alignment indicative. good good.


but also, not really being so stubborn. just explaining my POV.

what about it is stubborn?

You state opinions as though they are facts. It's not a criticism; I do the same thing. It's also not alignment indicative to me. But it is stubborn.


Stubborn doesn't mean that as far as I know.
Sarah
I kind of want to vote mfl with the reason of "tone read" but given he is so amazing that clearly no one could ever tone read him then I have to fear lynch/vote him because if he is evil I wont be able to tell so I must get this obstacle out of my way.

[vote mfl]

Lunch time and dissertation focus time. Be back in a while.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Mfl is being his normal stubborn self, which isn't alignment indicative.




and this is what I want. my tone to not be alignment indicative. good good.


but also, not really being so stubborn. just explaining my POV.

what about it is stubborn?

You state opinions as though they are facts. It's not a criticism; I do the same thing. It's also not alignment indicative to me. But it is stubborn.


Stubborn doesn't mean that as far as I know.

It does when you don't consider them opinions yourself.


I don't remember good counterpoints that I ignored.
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mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

I kind of want to vote mfl with the reason of "tone read" but given he is so amazing that clearly no one could ever tone read him then I have to fear lynch/vote him because if he is evil I wont be able to tell so I must get this obstacle out of my way.

[vote mfl]

Lunch time and dissertation focus time. Be back in a while.


Good times.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Mfl is being his normal stubborn self, which isn't alignment indicative.




and this is what I want. my tone to not be alignment indicative. good good.


but also, not really being so stubborn. just explaining my POV.

what about it is stubborn?

You state opinions as though they are facts. It's not a criticism; I do the same thing. It's also not alignment indicative to me. But it is stubborn.


Stubborn doesn't mean that as far as I know.

It does when you don't consider them opinions yourself.


I don't remember good counterpoints that I ignored.


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green
Caitlin
Showing my face to say that I'm here. Skimmed a timewarp this morning. No leads I want to follow so no vote yet. Don't see why I won't be here for lynch.
No

SarahBoBara wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

For the record, I am going to claim seer every game regardless of my role. I have started doing this with Merlin in Resistance and it works surprisingly well. If I flip seer then you know my views and if I don't then well, ya know.


GAH! Stop stepping on my ground here!



I didn't know it was your thing. I don't remember it being your thing. Why cant it be our thing?

There are two gs seer roles in this game. We can both be seers. kiss


Fine, is MOD an non-aux role then?
mfl134

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.
No

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.


I'm an emotional player and if someone upsets me then I see voting them as a win/win. If they flip evil then awesome if not then at least I don't have to continue to play with them.

If I was evil I would never have voted you right now.
Sarah

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...
No

ortho_ wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote syntax]. Some D1 content, please.


Other than your Paper meta, when do you do summoning votes? I haven't seen a lot of day 1 content from you either. Given how much we bicker, I am going to leave you alone today but I have my eye on you. goo


It's not a summoning vote, per se. I want syntax to contribute on D1.

It's something specific to Syntax that I decided to do based on a couple of things.


I'm getting tired of Syntax being a massive question mark in games because he doesn't chip in at the beginning. This happened in Poisonwolves and it helped team evil. And it's not the first time.

Obviously, it's his call how he wants to play, but I think it will help the town for us to be able to establish more of a read on him.


And also, Syntax confessed something to me in Poisonwolves wolfchat that I'm exploiting because I'm a jerk.


Hah, and now you put the spotlight on that eh?

Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.

Syntax in a nutshell here people.

Syntax3rror wrote:


Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.[/BGCOLOR]

Syntax in a nutshell here people.


Most goods don't know anything at the start. We just start poking around and see what happens.
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.


I'm an emotional player and if someone upsets me then I see voting them as a win/win. If they flip evil then awesome if not then at least I don't have to continue to play with them.

If I was evil I would never have voted you right now.


oh, so you are actually upset? I'm misreading the situation.
mfl134

ortho_ wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:


Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.[/BGCOLOR]

Syntax in a nutshell here people.


Most goods don't know anything at the start. We just start poking around and see what happens.


ortho, thoughts on the train on me and if sarah is make excuses to self save?
Caitlin

Syntax3rror wrote:

As a villager, I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.

Regarding this - I would argue that staying in the background still makes you a target. I remember I used to try to lynch you all the time early on if you were a null read on D1 because for the same reason ortho said (you would remain a question mark too far into the game for me to be comfortable).
Caitlin
I don't like Sarah's vote on Mike, but I don't know what that means.
Caitlin
[Vote PaperF] maybe.

Though I really want to vote Vanderscamp.

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134
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mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


what "bad play" are you talking about? I didn't call anyones play bad, if that is what you are saying.


But the bigger the train on me gets, the more chance it derails, so carry on.
Sarah

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared )
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


what "bad play" are you talking about? I didn't call anyones play bad, if that is what you are saying.


But the bigger the train on me gets, the more chance it derails, so carry on.


also, your vote failed.


separately, what is the benefit of making the distance between 1st and 2nd great now?

[vote theknightofcups]

I want to go back to this early read.
Actually, I meant evil Sarah probably does not get in that fight.
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.


I'm an emotional player and if someone upsets me then I see voting them as a win/win. If they flip evil then awesome if not then at least I don't have to continue to play with them.

If I was evil I would never have voted you right now.


oh, so you are actually upset? I'm misreading the situation.


hey sarah, didn't mean to upset anyone. thanks for ignoring this post.
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mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:


Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.[/BGCOLOR]

Syntax in a nutshell here people.


Most goods don't know anything at the start. We just start poking around and see what happens.


ortho, thoughts on the train on me and if sarah is make excuses to self save?


I don't think Sarah is making excuses to self save. I think you got under her skin a little bit with some of the discussion, and she voted you for it. Which could happen as either good or evil.


As far as the train on you as a whole, I dunno. There doesn't seem to be much foundation to it.

I don't have a read on Vanders yet based on that intro. I kind of lean good on Silverbonds. No idea on Jared yet. The vote I like least is Kara's.

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.
mfl134

ortho_ wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:


Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.[/BGCOLOR]

Syntax in a nutshell here people.


Most goods don't know anything at the start. We just start poking around and see what happens.


ortho, thoughts on the train on me and if sarah is make excuses to self save?


I don't think Sarah is making excuses to self save. I think you got under her skin a little bit with some of the discussion, and she voted you for it. Which could happen as either good or evil.


As far as the train on you as a whole, I dunno. There doesn't seem to be much foundation to it.

I don't have a read on Vanders yet based on that intro. I kind of lean good on Silverbonds. No idea on Jared yet. The vote I like least is Kara's.


I'm actually most unhappy with her calling me annoying as she wouldn't have been happy if I did a


" [vote kara_thrace]

for being annoying"


and yes, i know that changed my vote
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.


I'm an emotional player and if someone upsets me then I see voting them as a win/win. If they flip evil then awesome if not then at least I don't have to continue to play with them.

If I was evil I would never have voted you right now.


oh, so you are actually upset? I'm misreading the situation.


hey sarah, didn't mean to upset anyone. thanks for ignoring this post.


Ahh. I thought there might be hope with the first sentence.. it was borderline saying something nice and then you add the sarcastic remark at the end. Soooo close!
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.


so, was it fake emotion?
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Sarah

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.


What do you mean doing a thing? I think it's pretty clear why I voted mfl. I also think many would vouch to that not being something evil me does. You just said you don't think evil me would get in a fight like that but the minute I point out something pingy about you then you're back to "evil sarah"...?
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.


I'm an emotional player and if someone upsets me then I see voting them as a win/win. If they flip evil then awesome if not then at least I don't have to continue to play with them.

If I was evil I would never have voted you right now.


oh, so you are actually upset? I'm misreading the situation.


hey sarah, didn't mean to upset anyone. thanks for ignoring this post.


Ahh. I thought there might be hope with the first sentence.. it was borderline saying something nice and then you add the sarcastic remark at the end. Soooo close!



lol that you aren't pretending I did something wrong and that you didn't. lol. whatever.
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.


What do you mean doing a thing? I think it's pretty clear why I voted mfl. I also think many would vouch to that not being something evil me does. You just said you don't think evil me would get in a fight like that but the minute I point out something pingy about you then you're back to "evil sarah"...?


if you are aware you don't do it as evil, then it no longer is a thing.
oh. You are probably basing your read on my thinking you do that as evil, which is not what I meant, but I forgot the 'not' after probably.

Vote mfl
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.


What do you mean doing a thing? I think it's pretty clear why I voted mfl. I also think many would vouch to that not being something evil me does. You just said you don't think evil me would get in a fight like that but the minute I point out something pingy about you then you're back to "evil sarah"...?


if you are aware you don't do it as evil, then it no longer is a thing.


It's currently a thing to point out my things.
Silver
evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.
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mfl134
wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.
Silver

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


I've only interacted with you in game, so everything I say is about your game play and not you as a person.

I'm sure you're lovely outside of the highly competitive approach you take with the games, which is completely fine. It is just not my cup of tea.

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.


so, was it fake emotion?


No, my unintended meaning fail affected her read of me.

People are getting offended and insulted.

I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.

Caitlin

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.

Not sure what you did to attract so much attention, I don't think I saw anything stand out.

But I'm wondering if meta might be at play. Not against you, but with everyone else. I feel like a lot of these players have played a lot with each other recently (except for maybe Kara who has just started to get back in, but still has played a handful of games). You're sort of in a position of "Well he's new to us, don't understand him like the others" (new being relative) plus the point that you are a veteran who would probably not be upset at getting mislynched (with the understanding that veterans know that mislynches happen all the time).
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


I've only interacted with you in game, so everything I say is about your game play and not you as a person.

I'm sure you're lovely outside of the highly competitive approach you take with the games, which is completely fine. It is just not my cup of tea.


you are speaking about other games and holding a grudge of sorts, which makes it out of game.

your summary above is also wrong.

I never said the people voting me were voting me for tone reads. I made very little comment about why people are voting me other than because they are following the votes of others.

So, did you misread this game, or are you trying to spin facts to get me lynched?
Sarah

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.
mfl134

nolemonplease wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.

Not sure what you did to attract so much attention, I don't think I saw anything stand out.

But I'm wondering if meta might be at play. Not against you, but with everyone else. I feel like a lot of these players have played a lot with each other recently (except for maybe Kara who has just started to get back in, but still has played a handful of games). You're sort of in a position of "Well he's new to us, don't understand him like the others" (new being relative) plus the point that you are a veteran who would probably not be upset at getting mislynched (with the understanding that veterans know that mislynches happen all the time).


I'm fine if it is for those reasons. Though, suspicious if people are voting for those reasons.

i'm also hoping the game isn't devolving into big trust teams against where good whens when the people who always trust eachother are on the same team, and evil wins when the people who always trust eachother are on different teams.
Sarah

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Peer sounded excited to play, which makes me think good!Peer right off the bat.

Benes - you were expressing suspicion of Peer earlier. Do you disagree with that?


Nope. I agree with that now. I decided he was using a tool to form an alliance. It's not a tool that usually works on me specifically, but I can see happy peer in there.

That's a more major reason I moved my vote than who I moved it to.

I also think Vanders doesn't lead a charge on D1 as evil.

I like Silver for following him in a fun way.

Jared also looks about as good as I have seen him look in d1 based on his reactions.

[BGCOLOR=#00FF00]I don't hate my Sarah vote, even though it was a follower. She is basically calling me out for "playing wrong" which is something I expect from Mike, and it makes me think she is buddying up to him.[/BGCOLOR]




I don't think you're caught up in the thread...


I see that now.

Lol.

Also the last time I saw Mike stick to his insistence on talking about "bad play" on a d1 he was evil.

Does evil Sarah get into this fight?

Probably.

Sure, I'm in for vote mfl134


I actually read this as a pretty evil post from you, especially if mfl flips evil. It seems like you want to move onto him so that people begin to worry that so many people on him. I feel like you are moving on to him in order for others to move off when they begin the "why are so many people voting him?" worry. Evil team: mfl/benes/???/???(probably jared)


So you were doing a thing? Ok. Vote fail looks good to me.
I don't think your "thing" looks like something you do as good.


so, was it fake emotion?


No, my unintended meaning fail affected her read of me.

People are getting offended and insulted.

I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I DID read your post wrong in you saying I was still likely evil to get in the fight and felt like you would be giving yourself justification to then come back and vote me later. I still think the move to mfl was weird.

Also, you're a pretty great player and I agree about Jared. Insulting Jared is one of my favorite hobbies.
Silver

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


I've only interacted with you in game, so everything I say is about your game play and not you as a person.

I'm sure you're lovely outside of the highly competitive approach you take with the games, which is completely fine. It is just not my cup of tea.


you are speaking about other games and holding a grudge of sorts, which makes it out of game.

your summary above is also wrong.

I never said the people voting me were voting me for tone reads. I made very little comment about why people are voting me other than because they are following the votes of others.

So, did you misread this game, or are you trying to spin facts to get me lynched?


I feel like I had said this before to the others playing here but games don't exist independently of each other, therefore your overall play style across multiple games should and are used to make alignment reads.

That's what I am doing. You sound like when you were evil the last time we played together.

My vote initially was to pick someone to put pressure on D1, and look at their reactions. Your reactions sound a lot like when you were a wolf. Other people seem to agree so I don't think this is some personal vendetta type thing. I think the progression of events so far shows that pretty clearly.

Back to RP>
but people shouldn't listen to me because I'm totes evil and such.
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.
Caitlin

mfl134 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.

Not sure what you did to attract so much attention, I don't think I saw anything stand out.

But I'm wondering if meta might be at play. Not against you, but with everyone else. I feel like a lot of these players have played a lot with each other recently (except for maybe Kara who has just started to get back in, but still has played a handful of games). You're sort of in a position of "Well he's new to us, don't understand him like the others" (new being relative) plus the point that you are a veteran who would probably not be upset at getting mislynched (with the understanding that veterans know that mislynches happen all the time).


I'm fine if it is for those reasons. Though, suspicious if people are voting for those reasons.

i'm also hoping the game isn't devolving into big trust teams against where good whens when the people who always trust eachother are on the same team, and evil wins when the people who always trust eachother are on different teams.

What do you think about Sarah?

I don't think I want to vote Peer today.
Silver

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.


hahaha <3 you guys are good players stop
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


I've only interacted with you in game, so everything I say is about your game play and not you as a person.

I'm sure you're lovely outside of the highly competitive approach you take with the games, which is completely fine. It is just not my cup of tea.


you are speaking about other games and holding a grudge of sorts, which makes it out of game.

your summary above is also wrong.

I never said the people voting me were voting me for tone reads. I made very little comment about why people are voting me other than because they are following the votes of others.

So, did you misread this game, or are you trying to spin facts to get me lynched?


I feel like I had said this before to the others playing here but games don't exist independently of each other, therefore your overall play style across multiple games should and are used to make alignment reads.

That's what I am doing. You sound like when you were evil the last time we played together.

My vote initially was to pick someone to put pressure on D1, and look at their reactions. Your reactions sound a lot like when you were a wolf. Other people seem to agree so I don't think this is some personal vendetta type thing. I think the progression of events so far shows that pretty clearly.

Back to RP>
but people shouldn't listen to me because I'm totes evil and such.


people give examples of what is the same. You weren't reading me the last time as you knew my alignment, so you are comparing apples and oranges.

also, I "sound" the same as both alignments.

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


"You" I like fine. The statement that people who don't play the way you want them to play are "bad" is not a very likeable statement.

You seem to say it a lot.

You get similar responses every time.

Maybe figure out what you want to say without the judgemental part.

Otherwise it kinda looks like you are trying to get people upset.
Sarah

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.


Is this a hard claim? If so, I want it on record. Bold that shit.
Silver

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


I've only interacted with you in game, so everything I say is about your game play and not you as a person.

I'm sure you're lovely outside of the highly competitive approach you take with the games, which is completely fine. It is just not my cup of tea.


you are speaking about other games and holding a grudge of sorts, which makes it out of game.

your summary above is also wrong.

I never said the people voting me were voting me for tone reads. I made very little comment about why people are voting me other than because they are following the votes of others.

So, did you misread this game, or are you trying to spin facts to get me lynched?


I feel like I had said this before to the others playing here but games don't exist independently of each other, therefore your overall play style across multiple games should and are used to make alignment reads.

That's what I am doing. You sound like when you were evil the last time we played together.

My vote initially was to pick someone to put pressure on D1, and look at their reactions. Your reactions sound a lot like when you were a wolf. Other people seem to agree so I don't think this is some personal vendetta type thing. I think the progression of events so far shows that pretty clearly.

Back to RP>
but people shouldn't listen to me because I'm totes evil and such.


people give examples of what is the same. You weren't reading me the last time as you knew my alignment, so you are comparing apples and oranges.

also, I "sound" the same as both alignments.


Actually, I was reading you last time. I like to give legitimate reads as a wolf because it levels play styles.

I think one of the reasons you got angry at me in wolf chat WAS because I disagreed with you in thread (like I would as a good) and bussed you. You read like a wolf, others agreed, and I voted you. That's what the kerfuffle was last time, but I can't check cassie to be sure.
mfl134

nolemonplease wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.

Not sure what you did to attract so much attention, I don't think I saw anything stand out.

But I'm wondering if meta might be at play. Not against you, but with everyone else. I feel like a lot of these players have played a lot with each other recently (except for maybe Kara who has just started to get back in, but still has played a handful of games). You're sort of in a position of "Well he's new to us, don't understand him like the others" (new being relative) plus the point that you are a veteran who would probably not be upset at getting mislynched (with the understanding that veterans know that mislynches happen all the time).


I'm fine if it is for those reasons. Though, suspicious if people are voting for those reasons.

i'm also hoping the game isn't devolving into big trust teams against where good whens when the people who always trust eachother are on the same team, and evil wins when the people who always trust eachother are on different teams.

What do you think about Sarah?

I don't think I want to vote Peer today.


I don't know. I am muttering to myself in modchat about it.

I'm telling myself that I should assume that all emotions displayed are in game. Emotion is a weapon that both good and evil has to use. I personally don't think I did anything to warrant the level of response from sarah. So the conclusion is that she is using emotion, which she is well aware is something she would do as good. Logically, this would mean she is evil and playing the emotion card.


Now the flaw is the initial assumption. That emotion is a thing to use in game and it isn't just emotion. In general people seem to get agitated by my style, but I'm being incredibly tame.

Those are my thoughts, and I don't really thing it is possible to make a conclusion.


also, why not peer?

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.


Omg!

Ortho, will you be my Nemesisis?
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


"You" I like fine. The statement that people who don't play the way you want them to play are "bad" is not a very likeable statement.

You seem to say it a lot.

You get similar responses every time.

Maybe figure out what you want to say without the judgemental part.

Otherwise it kinda looks like you are trying to get people upset.


can you link me to the specific time I used it in this game?
Sarah
I want to add lemon to my probably evil category. Lemon is pretty good at reading me and her recent posts seem to be asking people what they think of me. I feel like she wants to provoke more people to dissect me and hopefully vote me without doing it herself.

Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Jared

Can I have a cookie now for solving the game?
Silver
Also, agreeing that you sound evil because your tone is always the same is a completely evil thing to do. You're still doing it, and it's like 27% of the reason I am voting you right now.
Sarah

JaredW25 wrote:

I enjoyed the last 2 pages. It was a refreshing read.

Sarah's reads list weirds me out.

I want lemon to talk more.

mfl, you're brusque. Embrace it and smile. They don't hate you.

I wish murph or Dake were in this game. I don't do the kumbaya posts very well.


I think I can read you better. When I was making that post I knew you would say something and not like it. Every time I have ever made a reads post you've said the same thing. It actually gives me a slight plus for you, albeit an annoying plus since you always find my reads pingy.
Silver

JaredW25 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Also, agreeing that you sound evil because your tone is always the same is a completely evil thing to do. You're still doing it, and it's like 27% of the reason I am voting you right now.

Silver used math. Clearly this means it's true.


It's super effective!(maybe)

bullshit tea leaves math is better than a straight up guess.

nolemonplease wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:

As a villager, I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.

Regarding this - I would argue that staying in the background still makes you a target. I remember I used to try to lynch you all the time early on if you were a null read on D1 because for the same reason ortho said (you would remain a question mark too far into the game for me to be comfortable).


Totally this. I think you end up being a target anyway, except it happens on D2 or D3 when that lynch is potentially far more crucial and costly if you are good.


vote kara_thrace
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

Also, agreeing that you sound evil because your tone is always the same is a completely evil thing to do. You're still doing it, and it's like 27% of the reason I am voting you right now.


not my words. i didn't agree that I sound evil. I said my tone is the same. Meaning if we were in the other game and you were "tone" reading me as evil you were randomly getting a positive based on the chance of me being evil.
Sarah

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want to add lemon to my probably evil category. Lemon is pretty good at reading me and her recent posts seem to be asking people what they think of me. I feel like she wants to provoke more people to dissect me and hopefully vote me without doing it herself.

Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Jared

Can I have a cookie now for solving the game?

Why am I on your evil list? You don't get a cookie for that. It's wrong.


I just want to pick on you. Is that too much to ask?
Silver

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want to add lemon to my probably evil category. Lemon is pretty good at reading me and her recent posts seem to be asking people what they think of me. I feel like she wants to provoke more people to dissect me and hopefully vote me without doing it herself.

Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Jared

Can I have a cookie now for solving the game?


Disagree with benes and Jared. Lemon sounds like she is trying to be neutral but that could be for lots of reasons.

Jared would be hardcore voting me right now if he was wolves with mfl. He doesn't shy away from digging into me.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 6 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15), kara_thrace (22), SarahBoBara (24), Benesephiir (28)
SarahBoBara - 2 - Syntax3rror (13), PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20)
kara_thrace - 2 - mfl134 (27), ortho_ (29)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1), ortho_ (6)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16) , nolemonplease (25)
JaredW25 - 0 - kara_thrace (2) , Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Syntax3rror - 0 - ortho_ (23)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9) , SarahBoBara (21)
theknightofcups - 0 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8) , mfl134 (26)
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Current Claims:
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Syntax3rror - (no claim)
SarahBoBara - (no claim)
Benesephiir - your role
Vanderscamp - Jared will counterclaim me at some point in this game
mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Sarah

silverbonds wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want to add lemon to my probably evil category. Lemon is pretty good at reading me and her recent posts seem to be asking people what they think of me. I feel like she wants to provoke more people to dissect me and hopefully vote me without doing it herself.

Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Jared

Can I have a cookie now for solving the game?


Disagree with benes and Jared. Lemon sounds like she is trying to be neutral but that could be for lots of reasons.

Jared would be hardcore voting me right now if he was wolves with mfl. He doesn't shy away from digging into me.


Jared is guilty until proven innocent.
Silver
The vote tally rn suggests things. I will revisit these things at LC, because they are important, I think.
No

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want to add lemon to my probably evil category. Lemon is pretty good at reading me and her recent posts seem to be asking people what they think of me. I feel like she wants to provoke more people to dissect me and hopefully vote me without doing it herself.

Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Jared

Can I have a cookie now for solving the game?


Disagree with benes and Jared. Lemon sounds like she is trying to be neutral but that could be for lots of reasons.

Jared would be hardcore voting me right now if he was wolves with mfl. He doesn't shy away from digging into me.


Jared is guilty until proven innocent.


Pretty much my viewpoint every game.
Silver
Actually

[vote Benes]

Science, I think.

Sarah join me?
mfl134

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, people don't like me, and it feels out of game.


I've only interacted with you in game, so everything I say is about your game play and not you as a person.

I'm sure you're lovely outside of the highly competitive approach you take with the games, which is completely fine. It is just not my cup of tea.


you are speaking about other games and holding a grudge of sorts, which makes it out of game.

your summary above is also wrong.

I never said the people voting me were voting me for tone reads. I made very little comment about why people are voting me other than because they are following the votes of others.

So, did you misread this game, or are you trying to spin facts to get me lynched?


I feel like I had said this before to the others playing here but games don't exist independently of each other, therefore your overall play style across multiple games should and are used to make alignment reads.

That's what I am doing. You sound like when you were evil the last time we played together.

My vote initially was to pick someone to put pressure on D1, and look at their reactions. Your reactions sound a lot like when you were a wolf. Other people seem to agree so I don't think this is some personal vendetta type thing. I think the progression of events so far shows that pretty clearly.

Back to RP>
but people shouldn't listen to me because I'm totes evil and such.


people give examples of what is the same. You weren't reading me the last time as you knew my alignment, so you are comparing apples and oranges.

also, I "sound" the same as both alignments.


Actually, I was reading you last time. I like to give legitimate reads as a wolf because it levels play styles.

I think one of the reasons you got angry at me in wolf chat WAS because I disagreed with you in thread (like I would as a good) and bussed you. You read like a wolf, others agreed, and I voted you. That's what the kerfuffle was last time, but I can't check cassie to be sure.


you can't know and make reads. the confirmation bias is there.

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.


Omg!

Ortho, will you be my Nemesisis?


TFang already got to me. We can be something similar, though.

Maybe sub-nemeses within the 'Adorable Animals' division? Lamb vs. Westie?
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want to add lemon to my probably evil category. Lemon is pretty good at reading me and her recent posts seem to be asking people what they think of me. I feel like she wants to provoke more people to dissect me and hopefully vote me without doing it herself.

Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Jared

Can I have a cookie now for solving the game?


here, have some.

Silver
my power just went out.

Battery back up only lasts 30 min. I have to leave anyway, but this means I'll probably be checking in from my phone later
Sarah

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.


Omg!

Ortho, will you be my Nemesisis?


TFang already got to me. We can be something similar, though.

Maybe sub-nemeses within the 'Adorable Animals' division? Lamb vs. Westie?


I want a nemesis! I was going to as gelrod since he gives me so much shit but I don't play with him much AND I think Jared had claimed him for everything.

*currently on the market*

*looks at Paperf* whistle
Caitlin

mfl134 wrote:

I don't know. I am muttering to myself in modchat about it.

I'm telling myself that I should assume that all emotions displayed are in game. Emotion is a weapon that both good and evil has to use. I personally don't think I did anything to warrant the level of response from sarah. So the conclusion is that she is using emotion, which she is well aware is something she would do as good. Logically, this would mean she is evil and playing the emotion card.


Now the flaw is the initial assumption. That emotion is a thing to use in game and it isn't just emotion. In general people seem to get agitated by my style, but I'm being incredibly tame.

Those are my thoughts, and I don't really thing it is possible to make a conclusion.


also, why not peer?

I got good vibes from his entrance. (I remember thinking, "Yay we're both good." at one of his posts.) Not totally confident is his goodness yet, I saw Benes' point about him trying to guilt him, which I think could be something. But at the moment don't want to see his lynch.
No

silverbonds wrote:

Actually

[vote Benes]

Science, I think.

Sarah join me?


Here, one seer will.

[Vote Benes]
mfl134

nolemonplease wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

I don't know. I am muttering to myself in modchat about it.

I'm telling myself that I should assume that all emotions displayed are in game. Emotion is a weapon that both good and evil has to use. I personally don't think I did anything to warrant the level of response from sarah. So the conclusion is that she is using emotion, which she is well aware is something she would do as good. Logically, this would mean she is evil and playing the emotion card.


Now the flaw is the initial assumption. That emotion is a thing to use in game and it isn't just emotion. In general people seem to get agitated by my style, but I'm being incredibly tame.

Those are my thoughts, and I don't really thing it is possible to make a conclusion.


also, why not peer?

I got good vibes from his entrance. (I remember thinking, "Yay we're both good." at one of his posts.) Not totally confident is his goodness yet, I saw Benes' point about him trying to guilt him, which I think could be something. But at the moment don't want to see his lynch.


do you remember which post?
Caitlin

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want a nemesis! I was going to as gelrod since he gives me so much shit but I don't play with him much AND I think Jared had claimed him for everything.

*currently on the market*

*looks at Paperf* whistle

I think I would be too scared to be your nemesis. Though I felt it a bit back in our survivor days.

mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.


Here I'm trying to understand what I did that was condescending the prompted your irritation. Do you want to help me see what I did so that I can consider learning from it?
mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.


Here I'm trying to understand what I did that was condescending the prompted your irritation. Do you want to help me see what I did so that I can consider learning from it?



the fact that you aren't following up with these leads me to believe you are evil and putting on an emotional show.
Caitlin
Mike - I don't know if it will help, but I'll try.

I don't think it was a specific post that I thought was great, but more of a buildup over of posts to finally seeing a post that got me comfortable with the good. If that makes sense.

Getting a sense of excitement vibe from him, which I associate with good Peer.

I reread a tiny bit and couldn't pull out a specific post. Maybe this one:

theknightofcups wrote:

Okay so I have Ortho as my voting buddy and Vanders as my read buddy. Let's rock this shit.


Mostly a tone read. Sorry.
Caitlin
I don't think I want to see Mike lynched today.
This one is saying Jared is either playing badly or he is evil. That's not too bad. I have said similar things.

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:


I voted you because Silver and Vanders told me to, and I didn't have a reason to *not* vote you (as I stated).

Do you need more explanations than that?


you don't. but voting because somebody else is and for "no reason not to" sucks. (is evil or bad play.)

But if you are doing it for reactions from them carry on. if you are doing it because you think it is a good vote, reconsider.


This next one is hugely offensive.
You are implementing a scale on who is a good and bad player based on whether or not they can be tone read.
I get that you recognized it in yourself as something you wanted to and could improve, but not everyone has the same learning experience.
Some people are either not focused on that, or possibly can not as easily figure out how to fix it. So they have focused on other skills they can more easily work on.
Saying that a player is overtly "bad" because they can be tone-read is insulting on it's own, but also has some pretty sinister implications if everyone believes it.
Saying that being able to be tone read makes you a contributor to ruining the game environment (which you say in a later post) is pretty much calling someone who doesn't know how to control their tone worse than worthless.
It also means that anyone who says they can tone read someone else is highly insulting the person they can tone read.
There is an undercurrent in games that some people are playing harder than others and some people are better at things than others, and some of us are better at keeping the focus on people having fun.
Taking this entire observation out of meta and into a rating system is not fun for most people.
I think most people know what they contribute to the game and try to focus on their strengths.
Focusing on exactly one thing people can be good at and describing it as important enough that anyone who doesn't have it as "bad" is highly devaluing of some players that I would argue are good for the environment.

[Q="mfl134"]
quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.

summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.

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No

Syntax3rror wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Actually

[vote Benes]

Science, I think.

Sarah join me?


Here, one seer will.

[Vote Benes]


heh, neither of these votes took.

JaredW25 wrote:

vote kara

I think mfl's getting poked enough today.


Fair

Vote nolemon
Peer
I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara
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Peer
Benes is nicknamed as Bene. So that's what you have to bold, Syntax and Silver.
Sarah

nolemonplease wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

I want a nemesis! I was going to as gelrod since he gives me so much shit but I don't play with him much AND I think Jared had claimed him for everything.

*currently on the market*

*looks at Paperf* whistle

I think I would be too scared to be your nemesis. Though I felt it a bit back in our survivor days.



I think bgg nemesis usually means good things though. I would be full of love for my nemesis...
Sarah

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle
Tokah

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


Yet, you realize that the bolded thing is the kind of thing you say, right?
Sarah

TFang wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


Yet, you realize that the bolded thing is the kind of thing you say, right?


When do I say this? Give me some examples. I think I err on the other side of listing three and calling them all evil!! devil


Also, I can sometimes understand talking about a dichotomy of thinking one of two people is evil based on their interactions. I wanted to hear some justification for his listing though.

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

This one is saying Jared is either playing badly or he is evil. That's not too bad. I have said similar things.

mfl134 wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:


I voted you because Silver and Vanders told me to, and I didn't have a reason to *not* vote you (as I stated).

Do you need more explanations than that?


you don't. but voting because somebody else is and for "no reason not to" sucks. (is evil or bad play.)

But if you are doing it for reactions from them carry on. if you are doing it because you think it is a good vote, reconsider.


This is how the game works. Lets pretend that I just said he was evil for voting for no reason? isn't that what other said. every time somebody calls somebody evil for doing something they are either implying "Evil or I'm wrong this time and it actually just a completely guess anyway." or "Evil or bad play". This is implied and there whether I say it or not. This is the game of werewolf. I don't apologize.

(And remember the hypocrisy circle that creates itself when you tell somebody they can't play by telling them how to not play)

This next one is hugely offensive.
You are implementing a scale on who is a good and bad player based on whether or not they can be tone read.


Sorry this isn't exactly what I said. I didn't make it personal at all. I merely suggested that by telling somebody you can tone read them, you are insulting there playing abilities, whether on purpose or not. What hopefully follows from it is people not relying on tone reads.

Objectively, if you can be read completely on tone each game, as both good and evil, is this a good thing? It is only a good thing if your goal is to win games when good and lose when evil. Anyone with that goal is bad for the meta game a lot. (Yes, here I am criticizing. If somebody's goal is just to win as good and not care as evil, i don't want to play with them. )

So to follow: If you accept that people want to win as good and evil and not to be an easy tone read, you would assume they are adjusting there play. So by calling somebody good or evil based on a tone read, you are introducing false negatives to the equation. you are making the assumption that they can't or won't change. This assumption is flawed because it assumes players can't get better or don't want to get better. So assume everyone is a good player and trying to improve and tone reads become very ineffective.


I get that you recognized it in yourself as something you wanted to and could improve, but not everyone has the same learning experience.
Some people are either not focused on that, or possibly can not as easily figure out how to fix it. So they have focused on other skills they can more easily work on.
Saying that a player is overtly "bad" because they can be tone-read is insulting on it's own, but also has some pretty sinister implications if everyone believes it.


This is looking for ways that my words were "bad". You could also consider my comment constructive criticism and a general commentary on the state of the game. I'd rather the game eventually converge to analyzing the actions of others rather than having a bunch of meta clears and meta evils every game.


Saying that being able to be tone read makes you a contributor to ruining the game environment (which you say in a later post) is pretty much calling someone who doesn't know how to control their tone worse than worthless.


doing it on purpose does. that goes back to the only trying to win as good thing. i don't think anyone does this on purpose. i'm not sure which comment you are specifically referring too. Also, i don't know where worse than worthless comes from. Sounds like you are adding your own insults here.

Consider what is actually happening here:

Mike tells sarah that using tone reads implies bad play.
Bene tells mike saying that tone reads implies bad play means that people would can't control tone are worse than worthless.

see how you are doing exactly what I was doing? I'm sure you are not calling people worse than worthless just like I know I'm not saying that there is bad play.

It also means that anyone who says they can tone read someone else is highly insulting the person they can tone read.
There is an undercurrent in games that some people are playing harder than others and some people are better at things than others, and some of us are better at keeping the focus on people having fun.
Taking this entire observation out of meta and into a rating system is not fun for most people.


Never suggested a rating system. also there are wolfies, which is a rating system. How do people who don't get nominated/win feel? Why aren't you complaining about them?

I think most people know what they contribute to the game and try to focus on their strengths.
Focusing on exactly one thing people can be good at and describing it as important enough that anyone who doesn't have it as "bad" is highly devaluing of some players that I would argue are good for the environment.


fact: if you can be tone read with high accuracy, you will win more as good and lose more as evil. this is definitely good for the meta state of the game if evil is winning too much. you can decide if it is good play yourself.


[Q="mfl134"]
quick comment on tone reads. they are only effective if your are trying to read somebody who is a bad player. A good player can control the tone and not be consider good or evil due to it. Thus tone reads isn't a thing. Actions are more hard evidence. And you might say that good players can control their actions. And I'll say that good and evil have different goals which results in varying actions.

summary: I don't accept tone reads as a reason, even if it is correct, because it really bad for the meta state of the game.


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[Vote Bene] to correctly vote.
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mfl134

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.


Here I'm trying to understand what I did that was condescending the prompted your irritation. Do you want to help me see what I did so that I can consider learning from it?



[vote sarahbobara]

she doesn't want to clear this up. I think she is evil for it. Makes it easy for her to keep her vote on me and not need another person. This helps keep her out of the lead and stops her from coming up with reasons elsewhere and defending the reasons.

Either way, I don't really feel like dealing with her attitude for more than one day.

I'm going to preemptively counter any claim she makes.
Mike, you made a comment about thinking that people don't like you.

I told you that it isn't you, it's the statements you make.

You asked me for examples and I gave them to you.

I am not arguing the correctness of your arguments, I am arguing that your arguments are arguably argumentative.

The problem is you are trying to teach people lessons when they aren't asking for them and calling them bad players to boot.
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mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

Mike, you made a comment about thinking that people don't like you.

I told you that it isn't you, it's the statements you make.

You asked me for examples and I gave them to you.

I am not arguing the correctness of your arguments, I am arguing that your arguments are arguably argumentative.

The problem is you are trying to teach people lessons when they aren't asking for them and calling them bad players to boot.


During that argument I didn't call anyone bad players. I said assuming tone reads are reliable is a bad assumption. In sarahs case, she implied that she is hiding tells, which could make tone reads reliable. I stated that letting the person know their tone tells would be better for the meta game.

My argument was explaining tone reads shouldn't work in the long term. On top of that, I said tone reads are great for evil to hide behind especially if you won't even explain it because it would reveal a tell you want to keep secret.


This game is about arguing. so i'm definitely being argumentative.
I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.
Tokah

SarahBoBara wrote:

TFang wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


Yet, you realize that the bolded thing is the kind of thing you say, right?


When do I say this? Give me some examples. I think I err on the other side of listing three and calling them all evil!! devil


Also, I can sometimes understand talking about a dichotomy of thinking one of two people is evil based on their interactions. I wanted to hear some justification for his listing though.


Huh, I just checked our last game and you are correct, my bad!
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.


so when you think you know somebody is a lying you vote them and don't try to convince others to vote them?

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.


so when you think you know somebody is a lying you vote them and don't try to convince others to vote them?


You keep trying to make this about arguing. I am arguing that right now because I am telling you that most of the time I am trying to have a conversation.
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.


so when you think you know somebody is a lying you vote them and don't try to convince others to vote them?


You keep trying to make this about arguing. I am arguing that right now because I am telling you that most of the time I am trying to have a conversation.


you can definitely argue while being civil, which is my preference, if that is what you mean by conversation. I don't see how anything gets done if everyone is just agreeable.

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.


so when you think you know somebody is a lying you vote them and don't try to convince others to vote them?


Of course, you are technically correct here.

There is an amount of arguing in the game, but I don't focus on it and I am not very good at convincing people that who I think is evil is actually evil.

It also isn't my goal.

And my assumption is that the correct response (according to your argument) to everything I have said so far is that I shouldn't be playing.

I think we need more bsc players and people who want to have fun as a main criterion to balance out the rest of us.

I would not play if everyone was just trying to be the best at arguments.

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.


so when you think you know somebody is a lying you vote them and don't try to convince others to vote them?


You keep trying to make this about arguing. I am arguing that right now because I am telling you that most of the time I am trying to have a conversation.


you can definitely argue while being civil, which is my preference, if that is what you mean by conversation. I don't see how anything gets done if everyone is just agreeable.


You can solve werewolf by talking with someone about what you both think makes sense.

You don't have to try to be right in order to accomplish this.

Arguments require you to think you are correct.

I almost never think I know what's going on, but I do know how to talk about it.
mfl134

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

I don't play this game to argue.

I am not trying to get better at arguing.

I play to find people who are lying and sound like I am not being deceitful.


so when you think you know somebody is a lying you vote them and don't try to convince others to vote them?


You keep trying to make this about arguing. I am arguing that right now because I am telling you that most of the time I am trying to have a conversation.


you can definitely argue while being civil, which is my preference, if that is what you mean by conversation. I don't see how anything gets done if everyone is just agreeable.


You can solve werewolf by talking with someone about what you both think makes sense.

You don't have to try to be right in order to accomplish this.

Arguments require you to think you are correct.

I almost never think I know what's going on, but I do know how to talk about it.


and as you pointed out (I think) this breaks down when it is impossible for there be a world that exists from everone's good POV.

I'd love a game where people weren't being tone read and it actually boiled down to how the various POV's contradiction and making senses of it and looking for consistency.

Due to meta clears people are considered evil for generally nothing and there really isn't a way to argue themselves out of it. goods can solve the game from their own point of view without determining holes in the evil POV when tone clears are actually a thing.
Peer

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 4 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15) , kara_thrace (22), SarahBoBara (24), Benesephiir (28)
kara_thrace - 2 - mfl134 (27) , ortho_ (29), JaredW25 (30) , theknightofcups (32)
SarahBoBara - 2 - Syntax3rror (13) , PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20) , mfl134 (35)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8) , mfl134 (26) , Benesephiir (33), JaredW25 (36)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16) , nolemonplease (25)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1) , ortho_ (6) , Syntax3rror (34)
JaredW25 - 0 - kara_thrace (2) , Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Syntax3rror - 0 - ortho_ (23)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9) , SarahBoBara (21)
silverbonds - 0 - Vanderscamp (10) , mfl134 (19)
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mfl134 - (no claim)
theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
kara_thrace - idiot with a newuser badge who can't post as often as she wants
silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer


Mike is one of my good reads and I want to move forward with him. I want to see discussion and I feel he's generating it and helping me form read on people.

Besides, he's my N0.

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.


I think its over. I don't have anything more to add.

Of you thought I was either good or evil because of it, I would think that was weird, though.

I'll
Vote sarah
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 4 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15) , kara_thrace (22), SarahBoBara (24), Benesephiir (28)
SarahBoBara - 3 - Syntax3rror (13) , PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20) , mfl134 (35), Benesephiir (37)
kara_thrace - 2 - mfl134 (27) , ortho_ (29), JaredW25 (30) , theknightofcups (32)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16) , nolemonplease (25)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1) , ortho_ (6) , Syntax3rror (34)
theknightofcups - 1 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8) , mfl134 (26) , Benesephiir (33) , JaredW25 (36)
JaredW25 - 0 - kara_thrace (2) , Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Syntax3rror - 0 - ortho_ (23)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9) , SarahBoBara (21)
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theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
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silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer

JaredW25 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.

What? How am I arguing?

[vote knight]

Are you even paying attention to this game? It feels like you're making generic statements.


I am. You, Sarah, Benes, and Mike have all been in these ...scuffles. It's making me hard to dissociate you from each other.

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer


Mike is one of my good reads and I want to move forward with him. I want to see discussion and I feel he's generating it and helping me form read on people.

Besides, he's my N0.


Ok. It got weird.

Back to
Vote peer
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 4 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15) , kara_thrace (22), SarahBoBara (24), Benesephiir (28)
kara_thrace - 2 - mfl134 (27) , ortho_ (29), JaredW25 (30) , theknightofcups (32)
SarahBoBara - 2 - Syntax3rror (13) , PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20) , mfl134 (35), Benesephiir (37)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8) , mfl134 (26) , Benesephiir (33) , JaredW25 (36), Benesephiir (38)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16) , nolemonplease (25)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1) , ortho_ (6) , Syntax3rror (34)
JaredW25 - 0 - kara_thrace (2) , Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4)
Syntax3rror - 0 - ortho_ (23)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9) , SarahBoBara (21)
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theknightofcups - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
TFang - (no claim)
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silverbonds - saved 15% by switching to Geico
nolemonplease - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)

theknightofcups wrote:



I am. You, Sarah, Benes, and Mike have all been in these ...scuffles. It's making me hard to dissociate you from each other.


But then you say you think Mike is helping make discussions happen.
Peer

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer


Mike is one of my good reads and I want to move forward with him. I want to see discussion and I feel he's generating it and helping me form read on people.

Besides, he's my N0.


Ok. It got weird.

Back to
Vote peer


You're always going to mislynch me, aren't you?
Kara "Athena" Thrace

mfl134 wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Why is everyone following others today rather than making their own path..? Scared of making waves?

vote mfl because all the cool kids are doing it and he's being more annoying than Jared is at present.


we can call eachother annoying now?

I can think of several other less-flattering adjectives if you'd prefer.
Caitlin
[Vote Jared]
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Vote Tally:
mfl134 - 4 - Vanderscamp (11), silverbonds (12), JaredW25 (15) , kara_thrace (22), SarahBoBara (24), Benesephiir (28)
kara_thrace - 2 - mfl134 (27) , ortho_ (29), JaredW25 (30) , theknightofcups (32)
SarahBoBara - 2 - Syntax3rror (13) , PaperF (18), Benesephiir (20) , mfl134 (35), Benesephiir (37)
theknightofcups - 2 - mfl134 (7) , Benesephiir (8) , mfl134 (26) , Benesephiir (33) , JaredW25 (36), Benesephiir (38)
ortho_ - 1 - TFang (14), PaperF (17)
Benesephiir - 1 - theknightofcups (1) , ortho_ (6) , Syntax3rror (34)
JaredW25 - 1 - kara_thrace (2) , Vanderscamp (3) , SarahBoBara (4) , nolemonplease (39)
Syntax3rror - 0 - ortho_ (23)
Vanderscamp - 0 - silverbonds (9) , SarahBoBara (21)
PaperF - 0 - ortho_ (5) , mfl134 (16) , nolemonplease (25)
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ortho_ - (no claim)
Peer

JaredW25 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.

What? How am I arguing?

[vote knight]

Are you even paying attention to this game? It feels like you're making generic statements.


I am. You, Sarah, Benes, and Mike have all been in these ...scuffles. It's making me hard to dissociate you from each other.

Are you even reading me?

This is not me arguing. Or scuffling. Or anything similar.

Yeah I'm probably not moving now.


You and Sarah were having this thing between you. It read to ME like a disagreement. Sorry if we aren't all argumentative like you to the point where we see arguments you're having and you're not.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.


Here I'm trying to understand what I did that was condescending the prompted your irritation. Do you want to help me see what I did so that I can consider learning from it?



[vote sarahbobara]

she doesn't want to clear this up. I think she is evil for it. Makes it easy for her to keep her vote on me and not need another person. This helps keep her out of the lead and stops her from coming up with reasons elsewhere and defending the reasons.

Either way, I don't really feel like dealing with her attitude for more than one day.

I'm going to preemptively counter any claim she makes.


You posted something and then exactly a minute later chastised me for not responding. I'm not going to argue with you especially when I see it going no where.

Your last statement does not scream "pro-good" to me though.
Caitlin

kara_thrace wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

we can call eachother annoying now?

I can think of several other less-flattering adjectives if you'd prefer.

Please don't.

Kara - do you think annoying implies evil?
Caitlin

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Vote Jared]

Because I'm voting peer?

Yup.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.

What? How am I arguing?

[vote knight]

Are you even paying attention to this game? It feels like you're making generic statements.


jared it is because it is what we do. it is our hole. it is where we live. it is.



separately, i accept the direction you vote is going.
Sarah

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.


I think its over. I don't have anything more to add.

Of you thought I was either good or evil because of it, I would think that was weird, though.

I'll
Vote sarah


Did you ever give a reason why you think I'm evil? I have seen you give reasons you thought I wasn't evil and yet you keep wanting to come back to vote me and you seem keen on trying to get your vote off of mfl..
Peer

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:



I am. You, Sarah, Benes, and Mike have all been in these ...scuffles. It's making me hard to dissociate you from each other.


But then you say you think Mike is helping make discussions happen.


He's my only good read out of the whole deal. Everyone else feels like they're kinda manipulating things.
You need to not tunnel on me. Every time you do it, team good loses.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:


Is there nightfall in modkiwi?

Just bold the word nightfall


Ew, why are you baiting Sarah into NFing MFL?

Baiting?

Ew. Why are you considering my help baiting?


C'mon. I half expected the next post after you posted that [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] was would be[/BGCOLOR] Sarah nightfalling. You've seen how those things can sometimes go. Sarah's obviously irritated at MFL.

Maybe you weren't baiting her, but that was what flashed through my mind right there.


Edit in green


Eh, she doesn't seem irritated. Just turning my words against me.


I question her vote due to her position in the tally.


I'm an emotional player and if someone upsets me then I see voting them as a win/win. If they flip evil then awesome if not then at least I don't have to continue to play with them.

If I was evil I would never have voted you right now.

thumbsup
mfl134

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer


Mike is one of my good reads and I want to move forward with him. I want to see discussion and I feel he's generating it and helping me form read on people.

Besides, he's my N0.


Ok. It got weird.

Back to
Vote peer


You're always going to mislynch me, aren't you?


except when you are evil.
Caitlin

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Vote Jared]

Because I'm voting peer?

Yup.

Cool. You think I'm arguing too?

No.

I've not been paying close attention to that fuss because it doesn't feel alignment related to me at the moment.

I'm voting you because you voted Peer and I didn't like it.
mfl134

kara_thrace wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

kara_thrace wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

Okay, I have not reached my time limit for today, but I want to save some to check in again before LC.

I must away to laundry and things.


but for leaving without answering the question:

[vote silverbonds]


Meh.
I think she answered it by saying she is following the group.

I am more interested in Vanderscamp"s answer.

Also, vote sarah
Because following paper sounds right.


Why is everyone following others today rather than making their own path..? Scared of making waves?

vote mfl because all the cool kids are doing it and he's being more annoying than Jared is at present.


we can call eachother annoying now?

I can think of several other less-flattering adjectives if you'd prefer.


all, i'm asking if if you would like to have such words used directed at you. I just want to know where the line is so what I don't cross it, but I expect you to hold yourself to whatever standard you set for me.
Peer

mfl134 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer


Mike is one of my good reads and I want to move forward with him. I want to see discussion and I feel he's generating it and helping me form read on people.

Besides, he's my N0.


Ok. It got weird.

Back to
Vote peer


You're always going to mislynch me, aren't you?


except when you are evil.


Mike, back off. I'm not evil. I'm on Team Good.

Jeez.
Sarah

JaredW25 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax, [BGCOLOR=#00FF00]and Peer.[/BGCOLOR]

Vote Kara


This post pings me. You list Jared, Benes and I and say that one of these three is probably evil. The odds of listing any set of three and there being an evil in it is pretty good. You're not providing any great reasons for why you think this set though.

Also, I edited your post and added in something.. whistle


I gave plenty last night. (Insert dirty joke here)

You and Jared don't sound like two goods arguing so I'm kinda leaning towards one of you.

Benes is mixed up in that scuffle and I'm not sure if he's good or not.

What? How am I arguing?

[vote knight]

Are you even paying attention to this game? It feels like you're making generic statements.


I am. You, Sarah, Benes, and Mike have all been in these ...scuffles. It's making me hard to dissociate you from each other.

Are you even reading me?

This is not me arguing. Or scuffling. Or anything similar.

Yeah I'm probably not moving now.


I hate to agree with Jared but I don't understand this. Jared and I were never arguing. I have been teasing him a bit but I always do that. I have interpreted my back and forth with Jared as relatively normal. I figured he would be pinged by my reads post and sure enough he was. I figured he would be annoyed by me calling him a wolf and I think he is. It's pretty normal sarah/jared stuff. If you've read the last few pages, I think you'd pick up on it never having been a fight between Jared and I or any sort of arguing.

I have to agree that I think Peer may not have been following along here and pointing out people who all have heat on them and saying "yep, one of them probably evil" and then going to disappear.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

ortho_ wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:


Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.[/BGCOLOR]

Syntax in a nutshell here people.


Most goods don't know anything at the start. We just start poking around and see what happens.


ortho, thoughts on the train on me and if sarah is make excuses to self save?


I don't think Sarah is making excuses to self save. I think you got under her skin a little bit with some of the discussion, and she voted you for it. Which could happen as either good or evil.


As far as the train on you as a whole, I dunno. There doesn't seem to be much foundation to it.

I don't have a read on Vanders yet based on that intro. I kind of lean good on Silverbonds. No idea on Jared yet. The vote I like least is Kara's.

cool
Peer
Sarah, I'm here. Talk to me instead of referring to me in the third person.
Sarah

nolemonplease wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Vote Jared]

Because I'm voting peer?

Yup.




Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Peer.

I want my cookie now.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Syntax3rror wrote:


Here's the deal, as an evil I hate participating too much on D1 because I'm afraid I'll have a perspective slip.

As a special I'm afraid of participating too much because I might let something slip.

As a villager, [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]I legitimately have no clue what is going on and therefore don't try to make myself a target for an easy miss lynch.[/BGCOLOR]

Syntax in a nutshell here people.


Most goods don't know anything at the start. We just start poking around and see what happens.


ortho, thoughts on the train on me and if sarah is make excuses to self save?


I don't think Sarah is making excuses to self save. I think you got under her skin a little bit with some of the discussion, and she voted you for it. Which could happen as either good or evil.


As far as the train on you as a whole, I dunno. There doesn't seem to be much foundation to it.

I don't have a read on Vanders yet based on that intro. I kind of lean good on Silverbonds. No idea on Jared yet. The vote I like least is Kara's.


I'm actually most unhappy with her calling me annoying as she wouldn't have been happy if I did a


"[vote kara_thrace]

for being annoying"


and yes, i know that changed my vote

Nah I'd be glad I got under your skin. Like when I finally got under Jared's. Though he was evil so it might have been a lie
mfl134

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.


Here I'm trying to understand what I did that was condescending the prompted your irritation. Do you want to help me see what I did so that I can consider learning from it?



[vote sarahbobara]

she doesn't want to clear this up. I think she is evil for it. Makes it easy for her to keep her vote on me and not need another person. This helps keep her out of the lead and stops her from coming up with reasons elsewhere and defending the reasons.

Either way, I don't really feel like dealing with her attitude for more than one day.

I'm going to preemptively counter any claim she makes.


You posted something and then exactly a minute later chastised me for not responding. I'm not going to argue with you especially when I see it going no where.

Your last statement does not scream "pro-good" to me though.

you just gonna say what my last statement screamed, or actually explain why?

also, it is only going nowhere because you define it as such. but I agree, one of us should be lynched today, it will be pro village.

If we are both good, it will get the mislynch out of the way and not be a focus tomorrow.

If you are evil and lynched, we get an evil.

If I am lynched, I will show good and then you can eat a hat.


Either way, I love it.
Caitlin

JaredW25 wrote:

I'm voting knight because he's not making any sense.

I'm normally argumentative. I have NOT been argumentative today. If you read my posts and interpret arguing from them, you probably need to reevaluate your critical reading skills.

Now I'm being argumentative. Congrats on poking the bear.

Does not making sense imply evil?

I think it's person specific. But with Peer for me, it's about the motivations not the end words.
mfl134

theknightofcups wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:

theknightofcups wrote:

I like Caitlin, Vanders, Ortho, Silver, and Mike.

Not sure how I feel about Sarah, Benes and Jared. I think one of them is probably evil.

Wanna see more from Paper, Fang, Kara, and Syntax.

Vote Kara


Why are you voting the "one you wanna see more from" that is least likely to post more and who is also the one with the most votes?

Vote peer


Mike is one of my good reads and I want to move forward with him. I want to see discussion and I feel he's generating it and helping me form read on people.

Besides, he's my N0.


Ok. It got weird.

Back to
Vote peer


You're always going to mislynch me, aren't you?


except when you are evil.


Mike, back off. I'm not evil. I'm on Team Good.

Jeez.


wow, that was overly defensive. I was merely making a factual statement that if you are evil it isn't a "mislynch".
Sarah

theknightofcups wrote:

Sarah, I'm here. Talk to me instead of referring to me in the third person.


I was referring to you in third person because I was responding to and quoting Jared's post. I usually talk about others in third person if they aren't the one I am quoting/directly responding to.

I think your play seems weird to me here. I don't think we play WW together that often so it might be that but it just seems fishy the way you interpreted what's going on today.
Peer
Here's the deal.

I have time after I get home to post (8 or 9 PM BGG to about 2 AM BGG).

I wake up and read and make a post to mark where I've stopped and what my reads are at that point (9 AM BGG).

Break from work before lunch (2 PM BGG) for 15 mins. Then lunch from 2 to 3.

Then break again around 4 or 5 BGG.

So I'm not disappearing. Work is keeping me from posting.
Caitlin

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Vote Jared]

Because I'm voting peer?

Yup.

Cool. You think I'm arguing too?

No.

I've not been paying close attention to that fuss because it doesn't feel alignment related to me at the moment.

I'm voting you because you voted Peer and I didn't like it.

Please read his posts. Then read my reply.

That's fine if you want to vote me for voting somebody you like, but if you aren't going to read and stay current, why even vote? That doesn't even make sense.

I read them. But they didn't stick in my mind because it doesn't feel relevant. So I don't feel like I have a grasp to talk about them.
Peer

SarahBoBara wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Vote Jared]

Because I'm voting peer?

Yup.




Lemon/Mfl/Benes/Peer.

I want my cookie now.


Wrong. So wrong.
Sarah

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

SarahBoBara wrote:

silverbonds wrote:

evil!silver remembers the game she was wolves with mfl.

He spent the whole time yelling and being mean in wolf chat. He did not like silver's playstyle and criticized her for being newb at werewolfing (which wasn't the case).

To take myself out of my RP for a sec:

Remembering that game wasn't fun, but I will use that game to make a call on his tone now. Mfl finds it really hard to deal with people voting him for anything that falls outside of the "seer with a hard hit" category. The last few pages he has concerned himself with telling people that their votes are illegitimate because tone reads don't count apparently, and his concern with disqualifying votes (ad hominem in a sense here, if you consider votes people and content the argument) instead of hunting and demonstrating he is a good asset for the village.

The only post from him so far I feel good about is his last one where he goes to voting peer because of any early read.

I say all this with disclaimer because the only recollection I have of mfl is the game where we were evil together, and that's all I am seeing now in his tone and content. I haven't seen him as good and therefore it is entirely possible he employs this kind of play as both good and bad.

For right now though, my vote stays.


My silver love grows with each passing post! I think this is the point I am at. If I find people being condescending, arrogant or turning the game into an environment that's not fun then I take offense to that. I take offense whether it's being done to me or someone else. It will make me want to lynch them regardless of what alignment they are. I am a very competitive person so I obviously want to win and wouldn't want to lynch mfl if he was good. However, if there is someone that continues to nitpick or be condescending then it gives me tunnel vision on them. It's then more helpful, from at least my perspective, for them to be lynched.

On another note here are my current leanings...

Super duper shiny good/wont lynch today:
Silver- I've stated my reasons before.
ortho- (not super shiny but I have a tendency to tunnel on him so want to give it a day or so before I can formulate a proper read)
Syntax- Well, he is a seer with me so that's a pretty big reason not to lynch him. I also like his responses to ortho.
Paper- I have no real read on him yet. He hasn't done anything that has pinged me but he's mislynched as good way too much that I want to give him a day 1 pass. He needs to get in here though!

Could lynch:
Mfl
Vanders-
I don't like his early play and buddying up to people. He had some posts that have pinged me that I have pointed out.
Benes- His jump onto mfl screamed evil trying to save another evil by creating the huge gap in votes and make people worry. This theory only works if mfl is evil. I want to come back to this if mfl does flip evil though.


Pretty null on everyone else.


i was actually serious and not being condescending at all with my comments about tone reads mean. Tone reads turned into a big problem here on BGG where good was winning all the time because people were obviously good from tone and obviously evil from tone. I started avoiding tone reads all the time and encouraging others to do so because I think it is good for the game as a whole. I also stated that letting others know their tells is good for the state of the game.


Here I'm trying to understand what I did that was condescending the prompted your irritation. Do you want to help me see what I did so that I can consider learning from it?



[vote sarahbobara]

she doesn't want to clear this up. I think she is evil for it. Makes it easy for her to keep her vote on me and not need another person. This helps keep her out of the lead and stops her from coming up with reasons elsewhere and defending the reasons.

Either way, I don't really feel like dealing with her attitude for more than one day.

I'm going to preemptively counter any claim she makes.


You posted something and then exactly a minute later chastised me for not responding. I'm not going to argue with you especially when I see it going no where.

Your last statement does not scream "pro-good" to me though.

you just gonna say what my last statement screamed, or actually explain why?

also, it is only going nowhere because you define it as such. but I agree, one of us should be lynched today, it will be pro village.

If we are both good, it will get the mislynch out of the way and not be a focus tomorrow.

If you are evil and lynched, we get an evil.

If I am lynched, I will show good and then you can eat a hat.


Either way, I love it.


shake
Caitlin

mfl134 wrote:

wow, that was overly defensive. I was merely making a factual statement that if you are evil it isn't a "mislynch".

C'mon. There were some implications there.
mfl134

JaredW25 wrote:


I'm normally argumentative. I have NOT been argumentative today. If you read my posts and interpret arguing from them, you probably need to reevaluate your critical reading skills.


beware, these words make people think less of you in these parts.
Peer
I think votes stuck to Mike too easily.

I'm becoming more convinced of Jared, Sarah, and Benes.
Kara "Athena" Thrace

ortho_ wrote:

Benesephiir wrote:


I am the only bad player here and Jared is the only one who like being insulted.

Lets back this up and tone it down a little.



I'm counterclaiming 'bad at WW'.

Nah I'm pretty sure I'm the obvious one in that category. I haven't even ever been a wolf, and the one time I was an aux I made a really dumb move.
Sarah
Mfl, since you want to dictate how we should all play on here and what is best for everyone and in the process are declaring how great you are at WW then I encourage you all to vote me today.

I would love to watch everyone's faces from deadchat then.
mfl134

nolemonplease wrote:

mfl134 wrote:

wow, that was overly defensive. I was merely making a factual statement that if you are evil it isn't a "mislynch".

C'mon. There were some implications there.


eh, there could have been. doesn't mean it wasn't overly defensive. also, i'm voting elsewhere.
Peer
But Jared's insulting nature has me leaning good... hmm.